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Ind vs Pak: Riaz puts Pak on top, India 6 down
TNN & Agencies | Mar 30, 2011, 05.38pm IST
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India vs Pak semifinal: India win toss, elect to bat
NEW DELHI: Wahab Riaz trapped captain MS Dhoni plumb in front of the wicket to reduce India to 205/6 in 41.4 overs in their World Cup semifinal clash at the PCA stadium in Mohali on Wednesday.
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Saeed Ajmal had Sachin Tendulkar caught by Shahid Afridi in the covers to place India at 187/5 in 37 overs.
Tendulkar was dropped four times before Afridi grabbed the catch. Tendulkar scored 85 runs off 115 balls with the help of 11 fours.
Wahab Riaz dismissed Virat Kohli and Yuvraj Singh off successive balls to place India at 141/4 in 25.3 overs.
Riaz first had Virat caught by Umar Akmal at backward point and on the next delivery, clean bowled the in-from Yuvraj with a superb reverse swinging yorker.
Tendulkar made Pakistan pay by hitting his 95th ODI half-century.
Tendulkar was first dropped by Misbah-ul-Haq at mid-wicket when he was on 27 and a few overs later Younis Khan dropped a simple catch at mid-off when Tendulkar was at 45. The unlucky bowler at both times was Pakistani captain Shahid Afridi.
India lost their second wicket when Mohammad Hafeez had Gautam Gambhir stumped by Kamran Akmal.
Sachin Tendulkar and Gambhir brought up the Indian 100 in the 16th over.
Tendulkar took India to 73/1 in 10 overs after the dismissal of Virender Sehwag.
Tendulkar survived two close calls in Saeed Ajmal’s second over. On the fourth delivery, the ball hit Tendulkar on the pads, the Pakistani players appealed and umpire Ian Gould raised his finger. Tendulkar opted for the review and the replays showed that the ball was going down the leg side. The decision was overturned.
On the next delivery, Tendulkar missed the doosra while playing a front foot shot and Kamran Akmal took off the bails in a flash. Square leg umpire Simon Taufel went for the third umpire and the replays showed that Tendulkar had brought his right foot down in the crease just in time.
Wahab Riaz trapped Sehwag plumb in front of the wicket after India got off to a fiery start.
Sehwag hit 9 fours in his 25-ball 38 and his onslaught started when he hit five fours off Umar Gul’s second over as India got off to a flying start.
Indian captain Mahendra Singh Dhoni won the toss and opted to bat as India made one change to the side that beat Australia in the quarterfinals, bringing in pacer Ashish Nehra in place of spinner R Ashwin.
Pakistan have made no change to the team that beat the West Indies in the quarterfinals, deciding against including mercurial pacer Shoaib Akhtar despite widespread speculation before the match.
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pitamber lohani (new delhi)
1 min ago (05:55 PM)
hope is the best. rest is next. india will win the match definitely.
prabha (qatar)
3 mins ago (05:53 PM)
these idiots given to sachin,,,a worst farewell from cricket,
GK (UAE)
5 mins ago (05:51 PM)
SHOULD INDIA KEEP ‘CAPTAIN COOL’ IN THE TEAM ANYMORE? YES / NO MY OPTION – NO! ANYBODY JOINING?
prat (delhi)
6 mins ago (05:50 PM)
sachin please retire. i dont want to see you playing. you could have played this only match in your career for india. such a selfish player. you must have played more than 500 odis but you are not equal to 10% of either Sangakara or Dilshan.
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L Noronha (London)
9 mins ago (05:47 PM)
I’ve just seen MS Dhoni get out – it’s a sad day for India and their legions of supporters. Tendulkar played the most scratchy innings I’ve ever seen him play but he managed to get into the 80s. Sehwag played his usual explosive innings and got the team to a good start. Yuvraj had a purple patch which was going to end – shame it was in this game. Gambir is simply not a one day player, more in the mould of a Dravid – punch the ball into the ground and make off for a run! That’s it for the batting line up. But worst of all is Dhoni’s choice to pick Nehra!! This man can’t bat, can’t field and is a potential liability for India in this game. Pakistan to win – despite all the chances they gave India in the field – India will prove no better in this department and their bowling doesn’t even begin to compare with Pakistan’s.
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Sathees (Chennai)
11 mins ago (05:45 PM)
India’s 7 batsman theory failed miserably !
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josgap (mumbai)
12 mins ago (05:44 PM)
Indians are bunch of loosers for watching cricket. When will these stupids realize their team will never win because all the players are only interested in money and they have no guts to play right in any big matches. Cricket is all about money and it is high time people realize that !!!
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zaheerahmed89 (Islamabad)
12 mins ago (05:44 PM)
guys this will be a good match.. paki batting line not good enough to chase 270 even.. per sachin innings was a humiliation and disgrace for him,, worst innings,, ajmal screwed him badly,,, today its proved that he is good only for stats and records only……
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prabha (qatar )
18 mins ago (05:38 PM)
bastards,,,,,,,,,they put india in shameful condition in cricket,,,,,,cricket must be erased from indian mind,,,,tendulkar whole cricket life wasted here with bad cricket,,,,how srilanka given good outing for murali
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sandeep (Oman) replies to prabha
4 mins ago (05:52 PM)
Why call them bastards, they were god for Indians only 6 hours ago they should be given sleeping pills . MSD need to be paraded with half shaved head balckened face on a donkey. He desrves this grand farewell and off course with shoe garland around his neck. Little master should be titled as little rat. We Indians deserve this defeat but perhaps it was less shameful to get defeated from Australia in QF
Z (Mumbai)
18 mins ago (05:38 PM)
As an indian supporter, i must say this has been the most painful display of batting. I thought we were supposed to be good at playing spin?? Hopeful if we can get 230
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BImal (KOlkata)
20 mins ago (05:36 PM)
dhoni bhai and his band of overconfident blues
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Later (Mumbai)
21 mins ago (05:35 PM)
Captain cool is back in the pavilion to warm the bench…..
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Mr.Cool (hyd) replies to Later
10 mins ago (05:46 PM)
You are wrong. He is Mr.Cool and never gets warm……not even at NIGHT …..ha ha ha…
Nishant (Kuwait)
22 mins ago (05:34 PM)
Its Amazing that Pakistan has dropped total 6 catches in this match. What would have happened if all catches were held?
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GK (UAE)
23 mins ago (05:33 PM)
CAPTAIN COOL OUT! LAST NAIL ON THE COFFIN!
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Pradeep (Australia)
23 mins ago (05:33 PM)
Never in the annals of Indian cricket has so much been lost by so few. The selectors have killed the contest. Pakistani spinners have shown the way. Munaf and Nehra bleeding runs will be the icing on the cake for the winners. Some days ago I had said Ashwin and Pathan were needed and the quicks were expedient. The events will show this was a correct assessment.
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Raj (Delhi)
26 mins ago (05:30 PM)
5 hazar karod ki betting. Chalo… kisis ko to faida hua… hamara biswas tute to koun si badi baat hai? India is loosing…very badly… Pakistan Lions are more powerful than Indian tigers… Lets congratulate the winners…
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ln.js mujral (hyderabad deccan) replies to Raj
9 mins ago (05:47 PM)
it is cricket no body can say anything – only time will show
Lao Tzu (TN)
28 mins ago (05:28 PM)
If India gets defeated today, the Only reason is Dhoni;s arrogance and selfishness. Nothing else.
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B Ramesh Adiga (manipal) replies to Lao Tzu
14 mins ago (05:42 PM)
What about the pressure and emotional discomfort brought about by the media hype? We have not allowed the players to have the much-needed peace of mind.
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EnoughisEnough (hyd) replies to Lao Tzu
16 mins ago (05:40 PM)
Can BCCI now learn from their mistakes and pick up a captain who gets hot atleast sometimes? Really wonder whether he even gets hotter during nights. This A**H*** has never played a single match as a captain. His arrogance and overconfidence knows no limits at all. He never leads and is not eligible as a leader or captain.
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JP (US) replies to Lao Tzu
19 mins ago (05:37 PM)
MS Dhoni does not know how to bat.
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Ramesh (Chennai)
29 mins ago (05:27 PM)
After the start from Sehwag, Sachin showed his selfish class and with Ashwin being dropped, MSD will have the record of being the first Indian captain to lose to Pakistan in the World Cup.
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bhuvan (bahadurgarh)
30 mins ago (05:26 PM)
Sachine has proved again that he plays for himself and not for the country. He intended to hit a centuary and his slow game is enough evidance. But I am unable to comprehend how he got five or six lives.
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Ravi Shankar (New Delhi) replies to bhuvan
13 mins ago (05:43 PM)
Hi friend, Sachin played his best given the condition of the pitch. You see in the Pak innings in the evening…there will be many LBWs as ball is drifting away after pitching and resulting in LBWs. Pl.don’t jump into false conclusions like an ordinary cricket fan.
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r c p (delhi) replies to bhuvan
13 mins ago (05:43 PM)
You are right .In india they get huge amount from advertisers for indivisual achievments not for team effort so everybody is for stylish shots not for team but for self
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zakir husain (Mangalore) replies to bhuvan
18 mins ago (05:38 PM)
What did he do my friend, he was playing his game, if others get out, what he has got to do with that???? Is our team diffending on one person… It is a big mistake if you think so and its everyone’s job to contribute their share of runs…..
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DD (Delhi) replies to bhuvan
23 mins ago (05:33 PM)
Now Sachin is out lets c team India managed to play 50 overs.
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Gary Curson (Mohali)
32 mins ago (05:24 PM)
Sorry, Guys! Indian players are comfortable playing with small soft balls, not with hard cricket balls. So, don’t blame Indian team.
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pujasharma81 (Pune)
32 mins ago (05:24 PM)
Expecting around 260 at the end of 50 overs
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Mohan (Angola)
38 mins ago (05:18 PM)
Sri Lanka Pakistan Final. Betters to loos money. Headlines on prediction
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10 Eunuch (Mumbai)
38 mins ago (05:18 PM)
Shame. India great batting team truly exposed today. Pakistani kids screwed each Indian player. Virender Sehwag is the only one cricketer in Indian team, 10 others are eunuch.
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Niran (USA)
41 mins ago (05:15 PM)
Ind 187/5. Except for the brief flourish from Sehwag, Indian batting is off color. Can our bowlers defend a score of around 250 ?
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malyaban (Delhi)
41 mins ago (05:15 PM)
Pakistan winners of 2011 world cup
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indian (newdelhi)
41 mins ago (05:15 PM)
captain Mr.cool is still out there.. hiding from the strike end:))looks like even at this stage he is not bothered about scoring runs:)
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Sree (Mysore)
43 mins ago (05:13 PM)
Hi Friends,This match is already fixed.We can come to after 40 overs.Just see and talk..now also tendulkar’s life time is hardly touching to 4th time.But pakistani’s are not able to catch him..still there is a confusion in front of Pakistan palyers…This bloody dhoni should be dropped from captains place.if india lose this match.His condom maker(nehra) & flute specialist (Munaf) are still around him..bloody fuckers… Where is Sreeshanth & Aswin..India will loose this match without their support..
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Sanjay (Mumbai) replies to Sree
20 mins ago (05:36 PM)
Yes Dear, u r right.
Lao Tzu (TN) replies to Sree
31 mins ago (05:25 PM)
Why no mention about Virat Kholi? Why he is still in Indian team?
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yasi (delhi)
43 mins ago (05:13 PM)
tendulkar gone……………………
TPN (Port Blair)
46 mins ago (05:10 PM)
Sachin shines and India looses!!! Predicts one more century from Sachin and another lost match to India.
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gk (UAE) replies to TPN
33 mins ago (05:23 PM)
Don’t worry he’s out!
jobin (kerala) replies to TPN
39 mins ago (05:17 PM)
As per all sachin haters prayers sachin is out without scoring century. lets check how many runs india will score..
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Arshad (India)
49 mins ago (05:07 PM)
Sachin’s Inning not helping; nearly 20 overs consumed for 80 odd runs
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Riaz (Lahore)
51 mins ago (05:05 PM)
Pakistanis showing how to contain fame Indian batting
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lucky notimeforlove (mumbai)
52 mins ago (05:04 PM)
Sachin playing well…thats means India will definitely loose :(
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Salman shah (Doaha)
54 mins ago (05:02 PM)
Sachin has probably paid to the Pakistan fielders today 5 chances, shame on the Pakistan fielders today. Being such a big player he should go by himself.
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Indian (Europe)
58 mins ago (04:58 PM)
If Indian batting not doing well today then I hope bowling will do well today. Come on India…
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Matta (Usa)
59 mins ago (04:57 PM)
We are doomed
sim (Doha)
1 hr ago (04:54 PM)
Stop being Pessimistic, match is still on, sachin is there.. go india go
Pmg (Mannar Allapuzha Kerala India)
1 hr ago (04:54 PM)
dear On line editor, In thus paper oriowe advuce was tenered o all poluers but wgike watching the gane Both Yuvaraj and Kholi did noy pversve these hence out in successve bkks which indicae that both of them were most careless This is bad let tyhem search their mi,imd dated Wednesday 30th2011 time 0455Hrs ist AM
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Ramesh (Chennai)
1 hr ago (04:53 PM)
India’s going to lose because of Sachin’s obsession for his personal glory (the Mumbaikar always plays for his 100). Pakistan made a master stroke by dropping him twice
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Freesanth (Sitting on the boundry trying to behave like a monkey)
1 hr ago (04:53 PM)
Not even Kochi Appams will bid for Riaz now!!! no IPL for him
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ONE INDIA (Dubai)
1 hr ago (04:43 PM)
Aswin was playing very nice.Why MS dropped him.He could have selected Srishanth in olieu of Nehra.Gosh
NotAFanatic (UP)
1 hr ago (04:43 PM)
I hope all future wars between the neighbours are on cricket pitches.
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ams (Chennai)
1 hr ago (04:42 PM)
letz not consider pakistaniz weak…concentrate n play rather than beinbg over confident. slow n steady wins d race;) gd luck India!!
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Nishan (florida)
1 hr ago (04:42 PM)
indias screwed
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Jai (Baroda)
1 hr ago (04:42 PM)
India should stop playing
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DP (here n there!)
1 hr ago (04:41 PM)
I have a feeling Team India gonna clean PM’s kitchen after the match!
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Love India as one (Dubai)
1 hr ago (04:38 PM)
Dont worship on players and names ,it is the team and country that matters.It is crazy Indian fans.
Arshad (India)
1 hr ago (04:36 PM)
It has been a disappointng perfromace by our men in this match so far, under 330 is not easy to defend. Yuvi was very irresponsible
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sharat (dubai) replies to Arshad
1 hr ago (04:51 PM)
sachin hundred and india lose this what the agrement
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Shajan (Germany)
1 hr ago (04:34 PM)
With Ashwin playing, India is still 1 bowler short. By dropping him, today, they are 2 bowlers short.
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Niran (USA)
1 hr ago (04:31 PM)
We need a big contribution from Dhoni today. Compare with other captains – Sangakkara, Pointing, Afridi. He has to keep one end. Now or never.
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Later (Mumbai)
1 hr ago (04:27 PM)
Wahab Riaz is wrecking havoc………
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Nishan (miami,florida) replies to Later
1 hr ago (04:38 PM)
thanks 2 yuvraj india is screwed…. they cant reach 300 with just sachin, dhoni, and usif
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gk (UAE) replies to Nishan
1 hr ago (04:47 PM)
“usif” is not playing. 100 already on the board, its enough!
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Abid (Pak) replies to Later
1 hr ago (04:31 PM)
OH YEAH BABY!!!
Later (Mumbai)
Wahab Riaz is wrecking havoc………
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Nishan (miami,florida) replies to Later
thanks 2 yuvraj india is screwed…. they cant reach 300 with just sachin, dhoni, and usif
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gk (UAE) replies to Nishan
“usif” is not playing. 100 already on the board, its enough!
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Abid (Pak) replies to Later
OH YEAH BABY!!!
Pk (India)
1 hr ago (04:26 PM)
Disgusting display of batting by India!!!!!!!! Is it fixed?????
Amit Gupta (Noida)
1 hr ago (04:25 PM)
Dhoni again putting India’s win on stake and putting his friendship in front. Look at Paki spinners they are taking wickets and fast ballers are getting hammered, but Dhoni decided to choose Nehra over Ashwin.
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Amit (Mumbai)
1 hr ago (04:11 PM)
Dhoni should resign from captaincy hes is not able to pick proper team dropped inform Ashwin on a spinning track…..!
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Deepali Singh (Dehradun) replies to Amit
1 hr ago (04:26 PM)
Dhoni can’t drop Nehra anyway because this poor guy purchase condoms for Dhoni. He is Dhoni’s PA.
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R (del;hi) replies to Deepali Singh
1 hr ago (04:49 PM)
I AGREE
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Murli Krishnan (Chennai) replies to Deepali Singh
1 hr ago (04:43 PM)
Yes, madam. I read the same…Nehra told this to some of his friends….. good going Dhoni though outside cricket ground. Keep your helicopter shot going on bedroom.
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Niran (USA)
1 hr ago (04:08 PM)
Big mistake keeping Ashwin out. When will Dhoni mature? Bad decision. Could make the difference between win and loss.
INDIAN (INDIA)
1 hr ago (04:07 PM)
Once again this team selection proved that it is better to have South Indian team and North Indian Team Separately
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Manoj (atlanta) replies to INDIAN
1 hr ago (04:53 PM)
True buddy. This is north Indian team not Indian team. They should have replaced Nehra with Ashwin and that dump Munaf with sreesanth.I want India to loose this match. that Dhoni is useless captain.
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Raj (USA) replies to INDIAN
1 hr ago (04:18 PM)
Yeah that would be great! That way we will have a great North Indian team without any incompetencies from the south. Now stay thirsty with sambhar.
Pinaki Mishra (Pinaki)
1 hr ago (04:06 PM)
Nehera included.. Aswini out.. Wht is going on!!! Is Nehera going to be match changer like wht he did for South Africa?
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Behra (Ranchi) replies to Pinaki Mishra
1 hr ago (04:21 PM)
Nehra, always helped Dhoni in purchasing condoms that Dhoni was not able to do because people followed him up to the pharmacy. You will remember Nehra was invited for Dhoni’s marriage when other players were not invited. So, Nehra is very useful to Dhoni.
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Raj (CA) replies to Pinaki Mishra
1 hr ago (04:19 PM)
With a last name of mishra, you are not supposed to understand the Indian captain’s plan.
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Amit Gupta (Noida) replies to Raj
1 hr ago (04:24 PM)
Its spinner who are taking wickets. Watchout your language….
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Raj replies to Amit Gupta
1 hr ago (04:36 PM)
Wahab is a spinner, Gupti?
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India (Kolkata)
1 hr ago (04:02 PM)
SACHIN CENTURY AND INDIA LOOSE MATCH.. SAME HISTORY REPEAT.
ykwadehra (noida)
1 hr ago (04:02 PM)
With favourtism visible clearly I dont think it is an healthy sign. If India wins it shall be a miracle.
shakeel (kuwait)
2 hrs ago (03:40 PM)
Congratulations India you have already won it by batting first. Misbah has just dropped the catch of little master. You have already won it India.
Amit Gupta (Noida)
2 hrs ago (03:40 PM)
Dhoni again putting India’s win on stake and putting his friendship in front. Look at Paki spinner, but Dhoni decided to chhose Nehra over Ashwin.
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gavin (Capetown) replies to Amit Gupta
1 hr ago (04:11 PM)
Doni is respected througout the world..He is always under the Indian spotlight..discard him at your peril
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gk (UAE) replies to gavin
1 hr ago (04:27 PM)
pepsi!
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Maama (Bomaan)
2 hrs ago (03:36 PM)
In last two matches where Harbajan and Aswin played together, there was no double who the better bowler was. Yet traitor Dhoni picks his business partner over te more successful bowler.
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Pk (india) replies to Maama
1 hr ago (04:30 PM)
Dhoni cares a hoot, made his millions,now all energy will be on IPL,baki sab khadde mein,shame on him.
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ajith (dubai)
2 hrs ago (03:33 PM)
dhoni’s ajenda was very clear from South Africa ie, to keep his men regardless of performance . He avoided sreesanth ,ishant & Ashwin from all one day matches so that their performances will not be counted. all these players are better than the current lot along with Zaheer to win the matches for India. Harbhajan is a certain eventhough his performance is below par. You can see all the spinners in the tournament are performing better than him .But Dhoni has insisted his prescence is important eventhough he is a liabilty like him
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Nashadh Vyas (Mumbai)
2 hrs ago (03:32 PM)
pakistan is as usual doing cheating. try to get players out on every not out. pakistan should learn to play mature cricket or better accept that they are afraid of theri daddy( Sachin Tendulkar). same on you pakistan.
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M.R. Shaikh (K.S.A.) replies to Nashadh Vyas
2 hrs ago (03:53 PM)
If shiv sena has Geniune party then they will not go against sports.They welcome such a great event World Cup final halt in Mumbai
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Dulip (Canada)
2 hrs ago (03:31 PM)
If pakistan wins, they maybe an issue in playing the finals . Due to opposition from Politicican old warhorse SHIV SENA BAL THACKERAY
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Ahmed Muhammad Khan Pathan (Srinagar )
2 hrs ago (03:28 PM)
Pakistan will win this world cup. They are the best.
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rrr (colombo) replies to Ahmed Muhammad Khan Pathan
15 mins ago (05:41 PM)
sorry ahmedji srilanka will win the cup
gavin (capetown) replies to Ahmed Muhammad Khan Pathan
1 hr ago (04:28 PM)
sport is supposed to be apolitical guys ..common if we in SA can do it ..surely u guys are obliged to do the same
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Anup (London) replies to Ahmed Muhammad Khan Pathan
1 hr ago (04:09 PM)
Then why u guys live in Kashmir ? Just go to Pakistan and rot there .
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kolokor (cccccccc) replies to Ahmed Muhammad Khan Pathan
1 hr ago (03:57 PM)
Guess you should go to Pakistan along with them to celebrate this.
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ash (chennai) replies to Ahmed Muhammad Khan Pathan
2 hrs ago (03:35 PM)
mathorchod
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rahul jain (dombivli mumbai)
2 hrs ago (03:22 PM)
Taking Nehra is suicidal.Droping Ashwin is worse.God save india from indians.
Mohammed Rafiq (Saudi Arabia)
2 hrs ago (03:21 PM)
My hearty pray for our Team India for their best Victory over Pakistan We believe that India win this semifinal match with comfortable Inshallah, Please don’t critise about team just pray for them it will workout the best result Inshallah Wish you all the best team India JAY HIND.
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Rafiq (Azamgarh) replies to Mohammed Rafiq
2 hrs ago (03:46 PM)
God bless you!! True Indian.
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S Subramaniam (Chennai)
2 hrs ago (03:20 PM)
The decision to drop Ashwin and opting for Nehra may prove to be wrong the way the Pakistani seamer’s are being blasted. Besides, had performed well in the lat two matches. Nevertheless I wish Team India all the best.
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MOHAN (ANGOLA)
2 hrs ago (03:19 PM)
NEHRA INN ASHWIN OUT INDIA FORGET THE FINAL
tv krishnaiah (bangalore)
2 hrs ago (03:18 PM)
i am sure inadian team will come out in flying colours,
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Omar (Saudi Arabia)
2 hrs ago (03:14 PM)
Pakistan will certainly win – No need to worry at all!
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GK (UAE) replies to Omar
2 hrs ago (03:29 PM)
LOSERS FINAL!
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Babu (Heaven) replies to Omar
2 hrs ago (03:28 PM)
This match result already fixed by both leaders. India paid big amount to pakistan. pakistan happy with amount, now they playing for to fool to watch
NJ (UK)
2 hrs ago (03:13 PM)
Sending Ashwin out is a bad decision. Taking Nehra in is a worse decision. (Dhoni should learn from his mistakes).
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vijay (London)
2 hrs ago (03:12 PM)
Commonnn India .. Dikha do.. India ko jita do… Good luck to team India.
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babu (Earth) replies to vijay
2 hrs ago (03:30 PM)
india already fixed this match with pakistan and paid big amount. Now they playing for fool to watch.
shashank (ksa)
2 hrs ago (03:09 PM)
Stupid of Dhoni to drop Ashwin He was the player who got crucial wickets at crucial times against the last two oppositions,Munaf and Nehra are a burden on the feilding side,,,the runs they will leak with their bowling have to be added to the ones they will while fielding ,,, and its difficult for either to get wickets against quality bastmen that Pakis have ,,,,What did he have in his head when he dropped Ashwin ,,,,he could have dropped Munaf if he wanted to play Nehra The evening at mohali is not going to make a difference in the way the bowlers bowl if they cant field too,,,,
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vina (US)
2 hrs ago (03:06 PM)
do it for the country and all the senor geneartion of India and we get more Artherton and can the commenatators not jinx it Come on tigers
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ALI KHAN (US)
2 hrs ago (03:01 PM)
Don’t just win the world cup, but also heart of millions. Cheers to Dhoni & Co, India Incorporated.
Vinayak Mishra (Delhi)
3 hrs ago (02:50 PM)
Best of luck…..our best wishes will always with you. Chakde o Chakde India……..
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Suresh (Kerala)
3 hrs ago (02:50 PM)
Now Nehra will ensure that he gives away tons of runs and takes no wicket. Dont understand what Dhoni finds in him inspite of repeated failures!!!
Ramesh Lunkad Lunkad (BELLARY)
3 hrs ago (02:48 PM)
THE audience see a joker as joker sees himself as a performer. no martter wat others think, its ur world cup, go on with confidence”.
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GK (UAE)
3 hrs ago (02:47 PM)
DROP DHONI FROM PLAYING ELEVEN OF TEAM INDIAN! IF HIS CALIBER AS A CAPTAIN IS SO HIGH, MAKE HIM A NON-PLAYING CAPTAIN. DON’T CHANGE YOUR MIND IF INDIA WINS! WE WILL, THAT’S WHY HE IS STILL IN THE TEAM AS CAPTAIN!
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Ramakrishnan t (Chennai)
3 hrs ago (02:43 PM)
Giving opportunity to bad players is good. but in a important match is not good. Ashwin out is bad decision and nehra in is worst decision.
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priyanka (jaipur)
3 hrs ago (02:42 PM)
chk de INDIA………..
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M F (Dammam, Saudi Arabia) replies to priyanka
2 hrs ago (03:15 PM)
Pakistan will certainly win and no need to worry at all!
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R. SUNDAR (CHENNAI-59)
3 hrs ago (02:39 PM)
India has decided to lose this WC semi by keeping MUNAF & drafting in Nehra. Dhoni has gone nuts.
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Dharma Karma (Kerala)
3 hrs ago (02:39 PM)
Dhoni is just disgusting again, for his politically motivated selection of team! I hate Dhoni and wish him to die very soon, for the good of Indian Cricket.
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rajan (Hyderabad)
3 hrs ago (02:38 PM)
India is giving importance for a wrong game
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B Bhoomy (Kochi)
3 hrs ago (02:37 PM)
Sreeshanth should be part of India XI – if not Dhoni will be responsible-Wish India win the world cup!!!
Raaj (Rampur bsr shimla hp)
3 hrs ago (02:37 PM)
best of luck dhoni & co do well nd win the world cup
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Ghanshyam (Bangkok)
3 hrs ago (02:37 PM)
CHAK DE …HO CHAK DE INDIA
RK (Goa India)
3 hrs ago (02:37 PM)
Congress diplomacy has started and failed… we include Nehra and they didnt include Shoaib …. Lol :)
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bharat mittal (balaghat)
3 hrs ago (02:36 PM)
best of luck india team
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gorelal verma (india)
3 hrs ago (02:35 PM)
gorelal verma guradia posst limboda, jial rajgarh
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Anshul (India)
3 hrs ago (02:35 PM)
INDIA JEETEGA
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PRITESH DUBEY (jabalpur)
3 hrs ago (02:35 PM)
i want to do
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R.K.Gupta (MUMBAI) replies to PRITESH DUBEY
3 hrs ago (02:44 PM)
We will win the match.
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v_poornima002 (Paris)
3 hrs ago (02:34 PM)
But why is Ashwin dropped??? He is a new player with lot of energy and is wicket taker for Indian side..Nehra was utter flop in this series..However good luck to Men in Blue!!
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PURUSHTHOTHAM (bangalore)
3 hrs ago (02:34 PM)
INDIA WILL BEAT
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vijaykumar (india)
3 hrs ago (02:34 PM)
Best of Luck INDIA. Nice to listen to India and Pakistan National Anthems with moist eyes
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aastha (raipur)
3 hrs ago (02:34 PM)
i knew it d8 india wiil win the toss. keep going INDIA “v r the best” just proove it
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manu (sullia)
3 hrs ago (02:34 PM)
oh! dhoni nikk marlambe? aswin gethdh a useless nehran padhatta????????
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neetu (delhi)
3 hrs ago (02:33 PM)
i have full faith that india will win this match.and i ll pray that my saying turn into reality.all the best to indian team.
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reach4venkat (Chennai)
3 hrs ago (02:32 PM)
Maybe Nehra informed Dhoni that he had injected himself with Jonty rhodes serum overnight to change himself into Jonty v 2.0. And Munaf turned himself into McGrath 2.0 in a similar manner. Leaving out your best bowler after Zaheer, Dhoni is going to have some very hard time if things go wrong. Seriously hope and pray that the Batsmen shut Pak out of the game by a mammoth total.
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Hussain (Dubai)
3 hrs ago (02:31 PM)
All the best Dhoni….We are waiting to see you lifting the ICC cup….keep rocking
Pavan (Godhra Gujarat)
3 hrs ago (02:31 PM)
You are the BEST……….INDIA
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sanjay mittal (yamuna nagar)
3 hrs ago (02:31 PM)
bhuwan also watch match boys cheerup
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parthasarathybhattar (chennai)
3 hrs ago (02:30 PM)
nehra not in form. ashwin in good form. bad change. but hope for best.
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prashant (Goa)
3 hrs ago (02:30 PM)
If the team is chosen purely on performance then Harbhajan Singh is the one who should have been sitting on the Bench. Come on BCCI, it’s time to ignore the star status and go into the match by selecting players PURELY on the basis of their recent performances. As for Harbhajan Singh, in this world cup he has neither taken wickets nor restricted runs. Under such circumstances, Yusuf Pathan would have been a better bet, as he could at least score some more runs than Harbhajan Singh.
Vinayak (Mumbai)
3 hrs ago (02:30 PM)
Shocking decision take placed by Dhoni again…………(Nehra)…………..How its possible…………..
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snigdha (bangalore)
3 hrs ago (02:30 PM)
All the best india……………………
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pranjal (Assam)
3 hrs ago (02:29 PM)
Common India, dikha do…………… jai Hind
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Raj (India)
3 hrs ago (02:28 PM)
Nehra means no bowling ,no fielding ,& no batting but i dnt know how dhoni took such decision sreesanth wud ve been better choice..atleast after this match dhoni will stop his cheap polticks ..no need to stop hope he will be out of the team…
Shaik (bellary)
3 hrs ago (02:28 PM)
I think it is foolish decision to include Nehra in eleven,He is fit to be sixteenth man,to sit on the benches provided for players,In my opinion he is going to be the most hatred player of world cup 2011
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Ramesh (Mumbai)
3 hrs ago (02:27 PM)
The wisest of decision lies in the unlikeliest of actions/choices. Choice of Nehra is a good decision, we will see that by end of the day. It is redemption time for Nehra.
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Mukesh Mishra (Gwalior)
3 hrs ago (02:26 PM)
make 300 and win the match best of luck to dhoni and company pak ko dho dalo
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(India)
3 hrs ago (02:25 PM)
Nice to listen to India and Pakistan National Anthems with moist eyes !
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sunil (mumbai)
3 hrs ago (02:24 PM)
toss winnn ………….. means india win
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GK (UAE) replies to sunil
3 hrs ago (02:35 PM)
my friend Nehra is replacing Aswin! !@$#%^@&!^%
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Paras (ujhani)
3 hrs ago (02:23 PM)
Great India is winner & Bad Pakistan is runner…………..
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Rabi (Heartland (AUS))
3 hrs ago (02:23 PM)
Dhoni how much mony did you got from pakistan
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nixon (dubai)
3 hrs ago (02:22 PM)
Very sad to note that Ashwin has been replaced by Ashish Nehra because Mr. Dhoni feels that Pakistanis are good at playing spin. Let us wait and see.
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Pankaj (Raipur, India)
3 hrs ago (02:22 PM)
Taking nehra could be a blunder. Team shouldn’t have been disturbed.. Akhtar’s absence would be good for India. All the best Indiaaaa!!!!
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mandeep walia (Jodhpur)
3 hrs ago (02:21 PM)
Best of luck India…. Deekha do…
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indian (pune) replies to mandeep walia
3 hrs ago (02:31 PM)
haan khol khol ke :)
shailesh (pune)
3 hrs ago (02:21 PM)
All de best India !!!!!!!!!
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Ravish Pareek (Delhi) replies to shailesh
3 hrs ago (02:33 PM)
India will win today! hip hip hurray
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Xyz (Xyz)
3 hrs ago (02:21 PM)
I guess the match is already fixed between both PM. Pakistan: if you let us win we will let you probe the 26/11 Mumbai attack. India: now Dhoni & co. Ko desh kay liye Shahidi deni Paregi. lol
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fdgdfg dfgfd (Bangalore)
3 hrs ago (02:21 PM)
India will win this match if and only if Dhoni does not bowl Nehra at all
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hwg (Hyderabad)
3 hrs ago (02:21 PM)
Hats off to Pakistan, irrespective of the outcome of the tournament, that they have come out of the scandals and have managed to present a cohesive team. A large credit goes to Afridi. Let the better team for today win.
rahul (hyderabad)
3 hrs ago (02:18 PM)
a stupid decision to left ashwin!!!!…how can dhoni justify removing ashwin and keeping ashish nehra..instead he would have removed kohli or raina or bajji and would have taken nehra…a horrible decision which will be the result we will loose the world cup……
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(India)
3 hrs ago (02:18 PM)
Nehra is playing instead of Ashwin. Navjot Singh Sidhu is getting heart attack. Hope this is not going to cost India the match. Shoaib not playing , surely because of not being in good books of Afridi [just like Sreeshanth] . Maybe leaving out Akthar will be more of a folly than leaving out Ashwin who is even better than Harbhajan !
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sudam (Auangabad, India)
3 hrs ago (02:18 PM)
Shocking to see a match winning bowler replaced by unpredictable and not so accurate Nehra. Munaf continues to be there in the most important and heartstopping match, its difficult to hide him. God bless team India
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sr (chennai)
3 hrs ago (02:17 PM)
With Dhoni you can never say. Why has Ashwin been dropped? If we lose today it is because of Dhoni’s team selection, nothing less.
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samit (delhi)
3 hrs ago (02:17 PM)
why this sardar in the team??? he sucks….. cant bat and keeps bowling on leg side!!! throw him out and get ashwin… ashwin can also bat!!!!
ivars58 (Telengana)
3 hrs ago (02:16 PM)
Loser Negara is back. Opportunity for Afridi or Razzaq to hit 6 Sixes. Take it Pakistan. You can’t get a better opportunity to have your victory. This is a gift from MSD
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Rabi (Heartland (AUS))
3 hrs ago (02:16 PM)
India will definite loose the match………because of MS decision
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Rajesh (Belgium)
3 hrs ago (02:16 PM)
GO INDIA GO . Make a huge score. WIn the match. Chak De
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asdf (USA)
3 hrs ago (02:15 PM)
Dhoni is out of his mind to include Nehra instead of Ashwin!
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das (Trivandrum) replies to asdf
3 hrs ago (02:22 PM)
Send him to mental hospital…
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s.jayate (Singapore)
3 hrs ago (02:15 PM)
What the hell… India is going to win the match. Well fixed by BCCI to promote IPL4. India is going to win the WC.
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Hindu (Delhi) replies to s.jayate
3 hrs ago (02:23 PM)
looks like its fixed the other way round. Nehra instead of Ashwin? Pathetic
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Umesh (Bangalore)
3 hrs ago (02:15 PM)
Wow G8 Start
Meghraj (UK)
3 hrs ago (02:15 PM)
Gosh, NEHRA is back. That’s it – either he performs today or is erased out of our memories forever.
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sudam (Aurangabad) replies to Meghraj
3 hrs ago (02:22 PM)
Nehra is not the main culprit, every1 knows his limitations
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colpasupathy (Hyderabad)
3 hrs ago (02:14 PM)
Biggest mistake, I would call it even blunder, is replacing Ashwin with Nehra.
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anwer samnani (Kl)
3 hrs ago (02:14 PM)
*** SRILANKA HAS WON THE CRICKET WORLD CUP 2011 *** May Be Breaking News & Headlines In Media All Around The World On Saturday , April 2, 2011 after 9 PM. Indian Time .
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Murali (Singapore) replies to anwer samnani
3 hrs ago (02:22 PM)
Two things are possible The date could be April 1, 2011 and you will be the only fool who will be seeing that news or it is April 2, 3011, you need to wait a millinium to see your dream, any way be a sport
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Swordfish (Seoul)
3 hrs ago (02:14 PM)
What was Dhoni thinking??? Nehra instead of Ashwin???
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SK (Delhi)
3 hrs ago (02:13 PM)
Breaking News!!! India has just dropped world-cup.by stupid selection of bowlers – Patel & Nehra — no good . God Help India Please
Harsh (Pune)
3 hrs ago (02:13 PM)
Best of Luck INDIA.
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De Ghuma Ke (Mumbai)
3 hrs ago (02:13 PM)
Dhoni will realise, yousuf should have been in place of Bhajji. Both of them are not turning the ball, atleast Yousuf’s qucik 20-30 would matter. Ashwin decision is pathetic. Go India Go, we still want you to win. May be no one to respond all are glued to the TV.
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NRP (USA)
3 hrs ago (02:13 PM)
Ohh Man, Why they drop Ashwin? This is terrible.
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anu (pune)
3 hrs ago (02:12 PM)
go india go………..
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Kumar (Pune)
3 hrs ago (02:10 PM)
Indiaa……………India………………Go India Go……
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Rabi (Heartland(AUS)) replies to Kumar
3 hrs ago (02:18 PM)
Don’t excite before match end
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Thackeray objects to Pak players’ ‘namaaz’ at Mohali stadium
Agencies Tags : India Pakistan semifinal, Mohali stadium, Cricket World Cup Posted: Wed Mar 30 2011, 14:51 hrs Mumbai:
After attacking Prime Minister Manmohan Singh for inviting his Pakistani counterpart to the Cricket World Cup semi-final match between India and Pakistan, Shiv Sena chief Bal Thackeray has now objected to the Pakistani team performing ‘namaaz’ in Mohali stadium.
“The Pakistani team could have performed namaaz in their rooms, but by doing so on the greens (of the Mohali stadium), they gave a clarion call for a holy war,” Thackeray said in an editorial in party mouthpiece ‘Saamana’.
“Tanks, troops, artillery and missiles have been deployed at Mohali. Is this deployment because there is a match in progress? Such preparedness is not seen during other matches. Why should it be for Pakistanis,” the Sena chief, an avid cricket lover, said.
Thackeray had earlier said, “If Pak President Asif Ali Zardari and Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gilani can be invited for the match in the name of peace, why should injustice be done to Kasab and Guru,” referring to the main accused in the Mumbai terror attacks and the Parliament attack.
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The Shiv Sena has been opposing Indo-Pak cricket ties, saying Indian soldiers were being killed on the border while fighting Pakistan and, “hence, our country should not maintain ties with the neighbouring nation.”
In 2005, Sena activists caused minor damage to the pitch at Mohali, then venue of a Test match between the two countries.
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In Chennai we have many mental assylums or we can deport this crook to Gaza stripBy: rajkumar | 30-Mar-2011
This mad man – a maggott thrives on the beautiful body of India. He should be sent to a mental asylum or he should be deported to Iran or Gaza strip where he will find he is surrounded by his own kind of brands and he will find good friends.
Semi Final – Mohali MatchBy: M F Raza | 30-Mar-2011
Pakistan will certainly win not only in semi final but also in final.
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Bal Thackeray’s tantrums about the so called India-Pakistan cricket diplomacy notwithstanding, there has to be a certain deliberate initiative to forward the stalled peace negotiations between these two enemies. In any negotiations of this kind, one has to set aside the past cases of disagreements and or serious rivalries. Actual wars were fought and peace accords were signed. Bal Thackeray is neither a diplomat nor is he capable of seeing the future. His hatred of Pakistan in general and Muslims of both countries is well known. Appreciated by his diehard saffron followers within Shiv Sena and their Sangh Parivar partners, including but not limited to BJP, VHP, ABVP and Marathi hooligans on the street, his policies about anything serious lack maturity. He may rant and rave, may threaten and terrorize general public in Maharashtra/Mumbai but he cannot stop the peace progress. I think, this old man should take a political ‘sanyas’ and retire to Himalaya.
…and I am Sid Harth
India vs Pak: Special train brings 1000 cricket fans to city
Khushboo Sandhu Tags : India vs Pakistan semifinal, Mohali semifinal, 2011 cricket World Cup, Mohali weather Posted: Wed Mar 30 2011, 09:29 hrs Mohali:
Mohali match
Fans arrive in Chandigarh by a special train from Delhi for the World Cup semifinal match between India and Pakistan. Express photo: Jaipal Singh
As groggy-eyed passengers alighted at the Chandigarh Railway station from the World Cup special train from Delhi, the word cricket was enough to catch their attention and awaken the enthusiasm to root for India.
The semi-final clash between India and Pakistan, considered the final before the final has people from all parts of the country and abroad making a beeline for the city. Keeping in view the rush, the Railways, in an unprecedented manner, arranged for a special train that brought the passengers to the station a little before 4.30 am. The train would return at 12.30 am.
“Its India against Pakistan. There is no way we could have missed this clash,” say Sanjeev and Vineeta, IT professionals from Delhi who came on the train along with their son Shorya.
Vineeta says, “This is the first time that I would be watching a match in a stadium, though my husband and son have seen matches before. In fact I do not follow the game very closely. However, I am very excited about this match.”
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The family hopes that despite the dignitaries scheduled to come for the match, the common people would not have to face much trouble.
The late night rain and thundershowers gave jitters to many with cricket enthusiasts praying fervently that the skies would clear up. The prayers seem to have been answered. As the passengers alighted from the train and looked towards the sky, the shining stars brought a smile to their faces.
Prashant, who is working in TCS flew all the way from Chennai to Delhi and then caught the special train to Chandigarh. “I got lucky and managed to get the tickets for the match. The rain gave quite a scare, but with the weather having cleared its time to root for India,” he said.
Accompanying him was Meghrath who is a student in Delhi. He says, “While we had tickets for the semi-final we were not sure whether we would be coming here or not. But after India beat Australia, there were no second thoughts. We never know when the World Cup would be held in India again or when we would get a chance to watch such a game.”
While both of them have no friends in Chandigarh, they plan to spend some time at the station and then head straight for the stadium. The station was bustling with activity in the wee hours. Apart from the cricket fans, police personnel were present in large numbers. The fans have no doubts that India would win the challenge hands down. For Vineet and Shalini it is love for the game that has brought them here. They chorus that India would definitely win the match and the World Cup.
“We have not missed any World Cup match till now. Our offices have television and we make sure to catch the action. A clash between India and Pakistan is something that no cricket fan would want to miss,” state the duo.
Another cricket enthusiast S K Sharma came to the city along with his family to watch the match. He says, “We have been traveling for the past two days. We reside in Indore and from there we reached Delhi to board the World Cup special train. We are all very excited about the match. Watching the match in the stadium with thousands of fans is an experience that is worth relishing. Especially in this case where it is an Indo-Pak match.”
While most of the passengers had the much in demand tickets with them, there were some who had come to the city just to try their luck at gaining entry. Rajesh Kumar who traveled all the way from Bhagalpur while brimming with enthusiasm says that he would be heading to the stadium and try to get the tickets.
The passion for the game was certainly hard to miss.
‘Improve standards to counter new generation of terrorists’
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Agencies Tags : military capabilities, Manmohan Singh, SPG Posted: Wed Mar 30 2011, 12:22 hrs New Delhi:
Prime Minister Manmohan Singh today asked security agencies to improve their professional standards and build better infrastructure to counter the “new generation” of terrorists who have acquired State-like military capabilities in their fighting strategies and tactics.
“The number of important dignitaries at risk from terrorists has also been rising and this is a cause for major concern for governments across the globe,” he said addressing the 26th Raising Day of Special Protection Group (SPG).
He said India is no exception particularly since it has been fighting cross-border terrorism for almost three decades.
Singh said that the threat of terrorism today has acquired new dimensions and it recognised no borders and transcends geographical limits and constraints.
“The new generation of terrorists possesses far greater capability to create networks for sharing knowledge, skills and resources. They have acquired State-like military capabilities in many of their fighting strategies and tactics,” the Prime Minister said.
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Though the role of internal security agencies in the country in ensuring peace and stability was better appreciated today than ever before, he said there was no doubt that the police and security authorities could be much more effective by improving their professional standards and build more appropriate and better infrastructure.
Noting that the SPG was making constant efforts to improve its tactical response to meet the ever-changing threats, Singh hoped it would go all out to operationalise and put in place its new counter-terrorist arm Special Intervention Unit at the earliest.
While complimenting the SPG for providing security cover to SPG protectees, he said in a democratic polity, it is essential that the top political leadership should be visible and easily accessible and at the same time, the concerns of security also needed to be taken care of.
“It is in this contradiction that SPG needs to manage,” he said and urged the Force to do more to minimise the levels of inconvenience faced by the ordinary citizens.
The Prime Minister assured the SPG that it would get all that it requires to upgrade its infrastructure and the skills of its personnel.
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Countering The Terrorism MenaceBy: Lewis Sooting | 30-Mar-2011
Prime Minister’s call in this message does not hold any water as challenging these new age terrorists will need new age generations who think ahead and are not bogged down by old age politicians whose primary ambition is to remain in power and avail of all levels of luxury and security protection while they open their mouths and utter dialogues that hurt the sentiments of the side-lined public. It is easy to sweet-talk the masses into believing you can work wonders, but it is the politicians who need to show strong character and bold attitude to guide the nation through times of turmoil and destruction including loss of innocent lives by terrorist attacks. Let not the Govt. sleep over this sensitive issue and stop all talk of cross border terrorism when we fail to inculcate an environment of peace, trust and national bonding as one nation, one people. So long as we remain divided, terrorists will forever gain the upper hand and continuously strive to cause fear among the people.
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Lewis Sooting has hit the nail on the head. Indian government does not address the basic causes of the Hindu-Muslim conct. Muslims are targeted by Hindu Parivar for as long as I remember. K B Hedgevar with the moral and material help from his adopted father, Moonje of Nagpur founded the most combative organization, ‘Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh,’ in Nagpur in 1925. This Brahmin secret society has since then mushroomed into a veritable deadly force with front organizations split into social, labor and student strata. What can be done at the border has been done and nothing more is possible. The enemy is within. Divisions are in the Hindu population not in Hindu-Muslim/minority. Government has failed in stopping Hindu terrorism. Actual terrorism as in the RSS/Parivar finctionaries like Pragya Devi Thakur, Aseemanand, Purohit and Sunil Joshi planning and executing bombing Muslim places of worship in Ajmer, Hyderabad and Malegaon and conducting concerted campaigns of verbal hatred.
…and I am Sid Harth
Pakistan PM Yousuf Gilani, PM Manmohan arrive in Chandigarh for high-voltage India-Pak semifinal
PTI | Mar 30, 2011, 02.08pm IST
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PM, Gilani arrive in Mohali to watch India-Pak semifinal
CHANDIGARH: Hoping to better ties between the two countries, Pakistani Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani arrived here on Wednesday to watch the high-voltage World Cup cricket semifinal between India and Pakistan.
The Pakistan Air Force flight carrying Gilani and his delegation landed at the Chandigarh airport around 12.25pm. Gilani, who is here at the invitation of Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, was received by union minister of state for communications Sachin Pilot.
A little later, Prime Minister Manmohan Singh arrived here to watch the semi-final between India and Pakistan and to hold talks with his Pakistan counterpart Yousuf Raza Gilani.
Singh arrived at the military airport here at around 1:30pm and drove straight to the Punjab Cricket Association’s stadium at Mohali.
Earlier today Gilani expressed his happiness at the resumption of dialogue between India and Pakistan and said both he and his Indian counterpart Manmohan Singh were committed to work for peace and prosperity in the region.
“As far as our relations are concerned, I am happy that our talks have resumed. The talks between the interior secretaries were conducted in a positive manner. I appreciate that,” Gilani said shortly before leaving for Mohali to watch the blockbuster India-Pakistan semifinal. The two-day meeting of the home secretaries of India and Pakistan ended in New Delhi yesterday.
Gilani, who is visiting India at Singh’s invitation to watch the match, described his Indian counterpart as an experienced politician with a positive attitude. It will be Gilani’s first visit to India after becoming prime minister in March 2008.
“He (Singh) wants to work for peace and prosperity in this region. We are both committed to this and we want the environment to improve so that we can serve the people,” he said.
“I have never seen him (Singh) being negative about this. I have always found him to be positive,” Gilani told reporters at Chaklala military airbase in Rawalpindi before taking off for India.
Gilani said he expected his visit to lead to “some progress” between the two countries and “an improvement in relations”. Besides, the Pakistan team “will get a boost”, he added.
Asked if he would try to move from playing “a one-day series to a longer series” during his talks with Singh at Mohali, Gilani replied: “Naturally when we go (to India), the talks will be held according to the opportunity.”
In response to another question on whether he would bowl a googly to Singh, Gilani said, “I am going to watch the cricket match. It’s too early to expect (anything).”
Thanking Singh for inviting him to watch the match, Gilani said he was travelling to Mohali to show solidarity with the Pakistani and Indian teams and to promote cricket.
Singh will also host a dinner for Gilani after the match.
“Keeping in mind the feelings of the two countries, I am going (to India). Both teams have qualified for the semifinal and I very hopeful that their performance will be very good,” he said.
Gilani said he had also spoken to Pakistan skipper Shahid Afridi amd conveyed the country’s good wishes to him.
“I will tell the people of both countries to enjoy (the game) and appreciate their performance. I spoke to (Pakistani captain) Shahid Afridi on the phone and I conveyed the country’s prayers to him. Our team’s morale is very good,” he added.
Responding to another question on whether he would ask Singh to send the Indian cricket team to Pakistan, Gilani said, “We are passing through some difficult times and we are fighting the war on terrorism.
The whole country, leadership and people are united on creating a conducive environment in Pakistan. If we will create a better environment, certainly we will request him.”
Gilani is travelling to India with a delegation comprising political party leaders, parliamentarians and federal ministers, including PML-Q chief and former premier Chaudhry Shujaat Hussain, Defence Minister Chaudhry Ahmed Mukhtar, Interior Minister Rehman Malik and Information Minister Firdous Ashiq Awan.
“The entire leadership and all political parties, including minorities and all regions and provinces, are represented in the delegation and the objective is to show that the whole country is united,” he said.
Pakistan’s Foreign Office said yesterday that Gilani and Singh are expected to discuss “all issues of mutual interest” on the sidelines of the cricket match.
“The two prime ministers are expected to have a conversation on all issues of mutual interest on the sidelines of the cricket match,” Foreign Office spokesperson Tehmina Janjua said.
Gilani’s presence in Mohali “signifies the tremendous enthusiasm of the people of Pakistan for cricket” and “coincides with the resumption of the Pakistan-India dialogue process”, Janjua said in a brief statement.
The two Prime Ministers will meet “at this important sports event and watch the match together”, Janjua said.
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Sid Harth Harth (USA)
5 mins ago (03:50 PM)
While fans on both sides of the India-Pakistan are praying/cheering for their country’s resounding win for their cricket tea,s leaders are holding their breath for the final outcome. Looks like Mahabharat, all over again. Or is it? That epic was written to depict a final war on two forces, one purposely and deliberately painted as black, evil and destructive. What I read from the usual comments on this article, I get the distinct impression that in this cricket match at Mohali, Pakistan is described as an evil party and India as the virtuous. The constant badgering of the Dr Manmohan Singh led UPA government on various and sundry issues notwithstanding, the opposition led by BJP should simmer down, hold their instant criticism by controlling their minions on the internet to allow the peace initiative. I wish both, India and Pakistan best luck. Mohali is not Kurukshetra and two leaders, Dr Manmohan Singh and Yousuf Raza Gilani are not Arjun and Duryodhan. …and I am Sid Harth
rajiv (uk)
46 mins ago (03:03 PM)
MMS is a disaster as PM–make him FM. He has no idea of india as a sovereign country –He will do the same mistake of Ref of Baluchistan as he did in Sham el sekh (egypt) with pak joint statement.
Mk (London)
1 hr ago (02:19 PM)
Mr. MMS can you please let the people of India know what is the progress of 26/11?
smali (Riyadh)
1 hr ago (02:17 PM)
The time is ripe for extending an invitation for the SL PM to come to Mumbai to watch the ICC 2011 final.
sheela (Netherlands)
1 hr ago (02:12 PM)
I don’t think that these pakis are honest with what they say… Not only in India but also in Afghanistan they are harbouring terror. Every day explosions and killiing of innocent people in Afghanistan is a commited job of ISI under Gilani government.. So never ever believe them…
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JOHN (UAE)
1 hr ago (02:10 PM)
Match is fixed. Sreesanth and Ashwin avoided as per the bookies. Criminal offence by Dhoni. If India looses then the picture will be clear.
Khan (Jeddah)
1 hr ago (02:09 PM)
Indian Government is generous in opening gates for Pakistanis and their bunch of terrorists ….. in the name of cricket & friendship …….. ….. When any terrorist attack occurs , the government start blaming it on Muslim community …..
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tauseef (saudi arabia) replies to Khan
1 hr ago (02:14 PM)
shame on u by saying this.
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Vinoy Sinha (Ranchi)
1 hr ago (02:03 PM)
Manmohan, the most incompetent Prime Minister India has ever had has found a way to distract people’s attention from all the scams that he has presided ever since he became Prime Minister.But this is just a few hours’ CHANDNI;phir andheri raat! This will prove an exercise in futility for him.
anwer samnani (Kl)
1 hr ago (02:01 PM)
SRILANKA HAS WON THE CRICKET WORLD CUP 2011 May Be Breaking News & Headlines In Media All Around The World On Saturday , April 2, 2011 after 9 PM. Indian Time .
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Roop Narayan Agrawal (Muzaffarpur, Bihar) replies to anwer samnani
1 hr ago (02:37 PM)
The Crucket is based on luck.But I hope in final India vs Sri lanka will play
Boycott Apple (Bangalore)
1 hr ago (01:55 PM)
People this is a cricket match… a sports event. Lets enjoy and let the leaders of the two nations also enjoy it. Why bring politics here. Well if we are still to show the animosoity to Pak on 26/11 then, we(BCCI) shouldnt have alloted any indian venue for a match involving Pakistan !
Truthi (India, Mumbai)
2 hrs ago (01:47 PM)
Lets hope they “play cricke” in more ways than one…!
ushetty (mumbai)
2 hrs ago (01:37 PM)
Don’t give too much of importance to Pak ministers. Media should have learnt this when Musharaf visited India. Pl have some self respect.
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Shashank (india)
2 hrs ago (01:36 PM)
Let jilani answer why the peace talks with india were stalled and are now starting after 2 years again on india’s initiative. And let him also publically promise that he will not stab india in the back again after these peace talks- which is a habit with these pakis. Just see what happened after the peace initiative Vajpayee made- it immediately led to Kargil invasion. And I dont understand when the masterminds of mumbai are still not handed over to india, why is singh so eager to start peace process all over again.
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Adi (SG) replies to Shashank
2 hrs ago (01:43 PM)
peace talks will stop immediately after Pak loses the match.. hehe
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bender.fry (Kolkatta)
2 hrs ago (01:32 PM)
Welcome to Chandigarh Mr Gilani and the entire delegation. Pls enjoy Indian hospitality and a wonderful game of cricket (shaan sey)…. I wish for your pleasant stay and a safe journey back to home (via England i hear)….
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Ritesh Nath (Bhubaneswar) replies to bender.fry
1 hr ago (01:51 PM)
@bender- you forgot to add “Mr Gilani, as soon as you reach pakistan(the country of terrorists) kindly instruct the ISI and other terrorist organisations to plan another attack on India, as it happened in the past during Kargil war when India tried to extend the hands of friendship towards Pak, so that our politicians can revisit the history, but there is less hope that they will learn anything”
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Arun (Tokyo)
2 hrs ago (01:32 PM)
PM MMS is playing the carrot and stick (read cricket)with the Paki PM. First invite him to watch the match and then use his stick (no innuendos) to tame him down. On a more serious note, I hope this “crickon-meeting” .helps improve ties between the two countries. It was a positive gesture by PM MMS and well responded by Gilani and Team. Now going forward, India needs to take leadership in the dialogue and put forth the demands to bring 26/11 plotters to task, curb terrorist influx from Pakistan and peace for Kashmir. HAIL CRICKETER!!
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RAvi (Bangalore)
2 hrs ago (01:28 PM)
Let the GAME begin between 2 country players and let the TALKS begin between 2 country politicions…
Rons (HK)
2 hrs ago (01:27 PM)
Its up to Pakistan what & how they look up to India. India learn to move forward to become world power without much of neighborly friendship or goodwill relation. Pakistan seriously has to look back the history pages before the partition and reconcile with what exactly gone wrong, once the time we all use to live together peacefully and fought the intruders.
Samip (Mumbai)
2 hrs ago (01:25 PM)
Did u ask us before resumption of dialogue with pakistan ? We indian dont want it … and PM is just a service man…not the owner of the country .. No dialogues with Pak
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Fiona (Dubai) replies to Samip
1 hr ago (02:13 PM)
@ Samip – The word’s “elections”- the ministers you vote for act on your behalf – vote wisely next time ;-)
Gurdev (Patiala) replies to Samip
1 hr ago (01:59 PM)
Did Gandhi asked Punjabies and Bengalies before bifurcating their states. I read some comments from Mumbaikars talking about killings 26/11 so not to resume talks, have you guys ever thought what after that. Should the world stop there. One has to move on. Have Young generation ever thought how many Bengalies and Punjabies and Sindhies died during the partition, but still the life moves on. We still have our old family members talking about those horrific times. But they never say not to talk with Pakistan because trouble creators are always a small number. So try discussing these things with positive mind set…… for time being enjoy the match of cricket…..
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Brinder Saigal (Sarajevo) replies to Samip
2 hrs ago (01:46 PM)
Samip, sorry to say but its people with thoughts like yours who are a problem for the improvement of relations between the two countries. As Dr. Manmohan Singh very rightly said, ‘The two nations have a shared destiny’
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Ritesh Nath (Bhubaneswar) replies to Brinder Saigal
1 hr ago (01:57 PM)
@brinder- of course both the nations have a shared destiny and to achieve it, India should also finance home grown terrorist organisation who starts the so called “jihad” in Pakistan and kill there innocent people. Then only e can call it tit for tat. Initiating peace talks in return of massacrer in no way represents shared destiny.
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aman (india(delhi)) replies to Samip
2 hrs ago (01:41 PM)
you are just an individual son…you don’t speak for India. Many Sensible Indian want peace…not everyone is a fanatic like you.
Fiona George (Dubai) replies to Samip
2 hrs ago (01:34 PM)
@ samip – that’s what elections are held for … the ministers you elect act on your behalf .. hence, vote wisely next time ;-)
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HANS (Google Earth.) replies to Fiona George
1 hr ago (02:00 PM)
@Foina.. But in India i don’t see any politician of enough worth to wote for prime minister seat.. ALL are just feeling their bank accounts on normal peoples taxes. If there is one lke ghadaffi or Mubarak could be understood but, unfortunately my country is full of them.. every state is full of corrupted politicians.. I Wish for a better political future of india but seems hard…
shibuTV (singapore)
2 hrs ago (01:21 PM)
forget about cricket when you talk about terrorism. we need an action from PAK premier. “just do what you say” all problems will be solved in few days. we hear their sermon since 9/11 but nothing changed on PAK soil. does Gilani has that extra guts to show that?? wait n see
naveen (faridabad)
2 hrs ago (01:20 PM)
may this friendship gesture turns to be reality on all issues !!!!!!
anwer samnani (KL)
2 hrs ago (01:17 PM)
Mohali, Chandigarh Weather – 30th March – Rain, Heavy Cloud Cast Lightning – Indo Pak Match heads to Lay Off . Weather agencies have said Sunny Day but conditions at Chandigarh are worsening minute by minute. Sources said. With over 30 Billion Indian Rupees invested and more in Betting. This could be one hell of a match if its whatever. Lets play oops pray it does not .!
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Pradeep (Bangalore)
2 hrs ago (01:17 PM)
Our bowling failed, our batsmen didn’t click, out fielding was sloppy I want no excuses like this from INDIA….I want “Our batsman gave a flying start, bowlers did a fantastic job, In fielding we nearly saved 75 to 100 runs”…I want this words from Dhoni to be scripted on field….
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GMZ Ahsan (Gurgaon) replies to Pradeep
2 hrs ago (01:43 PM)
Indian team will show a great game. They are always sponsored by successful private entrepreneurs, not by government of India
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Tenzin (bangalore) replies to Pradeep
2 hrs ago (01:27 PM)
Yes, i agree with you pradeep. no excuse accepted! Go india go go . …the world cup deserved to be ours this time.. we are the champion
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sushant paul (Kolkata) replies to Pradeep
2 hrs ago (01:26 PM)
In fielding we nearly saved 75 to 100 runs ??? u surely a Bollywood movies(based on cricket) fan…
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varoom (blr) replies to sushant paul
2 hrs ago (01:33 PM)
ok no issue drop it to 30 to 50… now its realistic right .. go india go
Ali Kazim (Paksitan)
2 hrs ago (01:10 PM)
I am the Final at Melbourne.I m the last ball at Sharjah. I invented the reverse swing. I mastered the multiple hat-trick. When they wouldn’t let me play at home, I drifted wherever I could. I am the Sultan of Swing. I beat the Windies in the ’80s. I am the Champion of Crickets. I am the unpredictable. I AM PAKISTAN !
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GMZ Ahsan (Gurgaon) replies to Ali Kazim
2 hrs ago (01:49 PM)
Ali Kazim is in great spirit of game. Terrorism is sponsored by Pakistan government & religous fanatics, whom general public detests. Every game is to be enjoyed
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imtiaz (KSA) replies to Ali Kazim
2 hrs ago (01:45 PM)
Today you will be loser ( because of all the proud showing your letter. God won’t like yours Bade Bol.
jaswinder (mohali) replies to Ali Kazim
2 hrs ago (01:43 PM)
Ali you are great Pakistan is also great. One will won match from other. But we should be together to won among poverty, criticism, illitracy we also need googlies to won the real game that is being played with our lives. think about humanities.
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Srikanth (India) replies to Ali Kazim
2 hrs ago (01:39 PM)
Pakistan never beaten India in world cup remember 2003 world cup what sachin and sehwag did My dear Pakistani
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cocomo (Mumbai) replies to Ali Kazim
2 hrs ago (01:34 PM)
I repeatedly thrash you whenever I see you. I am Sehwag!
Santosh Kumar (Mumbai) replies to Ali Kazim
2 hrs ago (01:30 PM)
Good Luck, Ali. I liked your last sentence that Pakistan is unpredictable. Let’s see what they’re going to do today on field. Being an Indian, I would pray to God that Indian team performs better.
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Abdul (mumbai) replies to Ali Kazim
2 hrs ago (01:30 PM)
I am also sultan of fixing !!!!!!
Dr Tapan Kumar Pradhan (Thiruvananthapuram) replies to Ali Kazim
2 hrs ago (01:26 PM)
I am the Land where the God of Cricket resides. I am the Land where all communities live together peacefully. I am the Land where all Great Religions of the World took their birth. I am the Fountainhead of all Languages and all Knowledge. I am the land of Vedas, Upanishads and the GITA !! I am the land purified by the holy chanting of Gayatree by the rishis and sages over millenia. All religions, philosophies and theories merge in Me. I am the Father of All. I am the Mother of All. I love all. I bless all. I am beyond Win or Loss. I am beyond Life and Death. I am the Eternal. I AM BHARAT !!
zakir husain (Mangalore) replies to Ali Kazim
2 hrs ago (01:26 PM)
That you will come to know when you become loser today!
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sushant paul (Kolkata) replies to Ali Kazim
2 hrs ago (01:24 PM)
U also r a Terorrist.. match fixer..Ball tampering inventor… spot fixer… bloody swine..a shame to humanity… etc…etc…etc…etc…etc…etc…etc…
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Aritra (India) replies to Ali Kazim
2 hrs ago (01:22 PM)
Dear Ali kazim, if you add the terroism part from your country, All that you wrote becomes null and void
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JATBOY22 (Rohtak(Haryana)) replies to Ali Kazim
2 hrs ago (01:21 PM)
You are the oval gate fiasco.You are the ball biting in australia.You invented match fixing.You mastered the art of cheating .No one plays you home as you are the home of terrorists.You are the losers.YOU ARE PAKISTAN
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Gujarat govt bans Lelyveld’s book on Mahatma Gandhi
PTI | Mar 30, 2011, 01.37pm IST
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GANDHINAGAR: Gujarat government today banned the controversial book `Great Soul; Mahatma Gandhi and His Struggle With India’ by Pulitzer-winning author Joseph Lelyveld in the state.
The announcement was made by the Chief Minister Narendra Modi in the state Assembly here today, and the opposition Congress supported the decision.
Sale, distribution, publication, broadcast of the book have been banned in the state with immediate effect.
“The writing is perverse in nature. It has hurt the sentiments of those with capacity for sane and logical thinking,” Modi said after announcing the ban.
“This attempt to defame Mahatma Gandhi by the publisher has come under severe criticism not only in Gujarat but from all corners of India,” he added.
“Mahatma Gandhi is an idol not only in India but in the entire world. While his life — dedicated to the welfare of the mankind — has been an inspiration, the author has hurt the sentiments of crores of people,” he said.
Modi also said that the book should be banned across the country, and demanded a public apology from the author.
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KM (USA)
Has Narendra Modi read this book? Has any one in India read this book?
Sid Harth Harth (USA)
0 min ago (04:25 PM)
Book banning is not a solution. Sonia Gandhi is a powerful person. She also forced Indian government to ban a book that defamed her image. Iran clerics issued a fatwa against a book that purportedly defame prophet Muhammad. Bunch of NCP party thugs belonging to Sambhaji Brigade attacked and ransacked Bhandarkar Oriental Research Institute’s library. Maharashtra government banned a Marathi book/play “mi nathuram godse boltoy.” supposedly maligning the image of Mahatma Gandhi. Both communist countries former USSR and current China banned books more than one occassion. I am a diehard fan of Mahatma Gandhi and so is my wife. We have read many, if not all books about Mahatma Gandhi. Majority of these books describe him as a true leader of India. However, no matter who wrote them and how much each book was based upon research, certain section, let us say, Saffron section would never admit Mahatma Gandhi as a true Hindu. His assassination by Nathuram Godse proves saffron mentality. Mahatma Gandhi was very frank about his experiments. This eighty year old man wanted to make one experiment on his sexuality. The experiment involved sleeping along with his two constant companions, Manu and Abha. Nudity is involved. In another instance Mahatma Gandhi, as a young student on his way to England, was busy having sex with his wife while all others were anxiously waiting outside in his house. Mahatma Gandhi was also described as hyper-sexual visiting brothels with his Muslim friend.
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Urdaddy (Moscow)
22 mins ago (04:03 PM)
What!! A guy from (Melbourne) calling Indians gay and racist!!!!! Its like a prostitute lecturing about her/her virginity.
Marshal (Goa)
26 mins ago (03:59 PM)
I wonder how many people who have posted their comments have read the book!
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Jonathan (Melbourne)
31 mins ago (03:54 PM)
So Ghandi was gay and a racist. Sounds like your typical Indian male to me.
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naughty mighty (India) replies to Jonathan
9 mins ago (04:16 PM)
but you can’t blame typical Indian males for Australia’s early ouster from the WC, they were all professional Indian cricketers and it was “Maa ki” and not “Monkey”, got that you convict?
Abhay Dang (Hyderabad, India) replies to Jonathan
18 mins ago (04:07 PM)
And what does that make you? Racist yourself?
tanu (delhi)
40 mins ago (03:45 PM)
Majority of readers already criticized the ban. But please consider these points: 1. Government has shown super pro-activeness in this matter. There could be 1 out of 10^10 examples where government has shown such pro-activeness. 2. All parties – left, right, center seem to echo each other on this. 3. Government by and large seem to consider a book a tangible property which can be blocked, destroyed etc. They do not consider there could be a digital version, quotations, Google book versions that can be read by the poor people of India 4. Presumably Government is yet to receive a copy of the book, read it, consult with the lawyers, before banning it. It shows that Government (in India) can and is willing to take action without due diligence and following the norms of natural justice. Such expediency was not shown in myriad other cases – you all know the example. 5. Government often tells the general public like us that they can not take steps based on newspaper reporting alone. Well, here is a classical example, where Government has imposed a ban on the book prima facie based on newspaper reports. 6. As far as insensitivity to reasoned critique is concerned, Governments in India has shown similar attitude as shown by China, Iran, etc.etc.
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naughty mighty (India)
41 mins ago (03:44 PM)
Freedom of speech is a universal right of each and every human being protected by United Nations Universal Declaration of Human Rights, Thank You.
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muraleedharan.a.c (Kochi. Kerala)
53 mins ago (03:32 PM)
Mahatma Gandhi is not a mere individual. He is the father of our beloved nation The New found negative revelation have some ulterior motives is a foregone conclusion. Freedom of thought and speech doesn’t mean to be a right to tarnish anybody for the purpose of popularity and vested interests. If these people were so much liberal in their thinking they should have tried their luck with Muslim or christian religious leaders. Then they will realize what it is. The Hindus have become so timid and shameless to allow all these nonsense in the name of tolerance. Mr.Modi has once again proved his mettle.
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karavadiraghavarao (Vijayawada-) replies to muraleedharan.a.c
20 mins ago (04:05 PM)
Dear Mr Muralleedharan AC, I also like Mahatma Gandhi and his Economic and Social Philosophy.Before Father there will not be a Son. Is there no India before Gandhiji?Has he created India? India is unified from Kashmir to Kanyakumari by Hinduism Religiously,by its classics and way of life socially.Political Unity ha sbeen brought by British Rule.
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karavadiraghavarao (Vijayawada-)
1 hr ago (03:17 PM)
Even if it is banned in India those who want to read it can get it through Internet and other sources.The stature of Mahatma Gandhi is not so fragile that it will diminish by a book of an Author.
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R.Sahni (Delhi)
1 hr ago (03:16 PM)
Gujarat has a long history of banning books, based on hearsay, rather than the actual content of the books and independent analysis of the contents. The other report carried in this paper that the book is insightful and accurate needs to be highlighted.
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Sukanya Kadyan (Delhi)
1 hr ago (03:04 PM)
Gandhian Ideologist, philosopher and social reformer Naresh Kadyan moved complaint with the HE the President of India bearing Grievance Registration Number is : PRSEC/E/2011/04750 dated 30-3-2011 about controversial book on Mahatma Gandhi, like wise matter taken up with the Department of Administrative Reforms & Public Grievances, Government of India vide registration number MOOIA/E/2011/00025 on dated 30-3-2011.
U.Rajarama Shetty (Bengaluru)
1 hr ago (02:59 PM)
Do we still leaving in the mid eval Period? Let people express their Opinions why ban Books?It is only for Publicity. Govt is not allowing Public to discuss and Debate.
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Aditya (A) replies to U.Rajarama Shetty
1 hr ago (03:22 PM)
Do you even know that he gave freedom to our nation ? If you think insulting Mahatma Gandhi is expressing opinions then its sad that you dont love India.Making fun of our great leaders is always supported by shameless people like you. That is why they have courage to write anything.
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doubt (bangalore) replies to Aditya
33 mins ago (03:52 PM)
from which shop gandhi bought the freedom by the way?
Shyam (Chennai) replies to Aditya
41 mins ago (03:44 PM)
I think banning a book is illogical.A book cannot convert the mind unless the mind wants to. If this is the case, Gandhi’s portrait should be removed from all currency as alot of currency in involved in hawala which is a insult to him. Furthermore, he was not materialistic or crave money, so it is an irony he is the symbol of and on it.
tanu (delhi) replies to Aditya
50 mins ago (03:35 PM)
You said Mahatma Gandhi gave freedom to India. Kindly read the history books again. You will be surprised that this is not a true fact.
Sankar (Blore)
1 hr ago (02:56 PM)
Think about this…Somebody is writing perverse things about another person who is dead and not available to defend. Is this not unfair ? Would you like this if someone did this about some of your ancestors ? This is abuse of freedom.
kranti (Navsari)
1 hr ago (02:38 PM)
Let people read the book and make their own judgement.
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Sonali K (Kuwait)
1 hr ago (02:36 PM)
Sad we keep banning things in a democracy. Specially without doing due diligence about whether its true or not. India and Indians need to be more mature in accepting other people’s views
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abc (london) replies to Sonali K
59 mins ago (03:26 PM)
do this for Kuran in any muslim country and see. good you are in india…
K.Parameshwar (Mysore)
1 hr ago (02:35 PM)
Dear pseudo seculars,if Narendra Modi and Gujarat have the guts to ban this book on Gandhi,then you all must make it a point to publish this book with all its attacks on Gandhi.Pls dont let Modi win even if it is at the cost of Gandhi.
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RAMESH LUNKAD (BELLARY)
1 hr ago (02:34 PM)
APNI DOSTI KOI PEPSI NAHI JO DIL MANGE MORE. DIL MANGE WORLD CUP.NIRMA NAHI JO PEHLE ISTEMAL KARE FIR VISHWAS KARO APNI DOSTI TO [WORLD CUP ] HAI ZINDGI KE SATH BHI ZINDGI KE BAD BHI.
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Chennia (Chennai) replies to RAMESH LUNKAD
56 mins ago (03:29 PM)
Couldn’t make head or tail. Typical Indian mentality. This is an English newspaper, not Hindi
Dwj (Mumbai)
1 hr ago (02:28 PM)
Gujarat govt has the locus standi to do it. Because they ban anything that is blasphemous be it against any god or goddess or against any respected leader of the country. However this will not suit our secularists. They will not like any material to be banned if it is against Hindus or Hinduism. Freedom of expression will become the plank to attack from. Banning will be infringement of the birth right, constitutional right so on and so forth of the author. If it is against minorities, nothing except banning will satisfy them. The limits prescribed by the minorities is the permissible sprawl of freedom of expression for the author and of course freedom of expression in such matters will not include freedom to insult others. Hindus will not be conferred such priviledges. Now, where will all those proponents of freedom of expression will keep their face if other govrnments which refused to ban other blasphemous books which are necessarily anti-Hindu, readily ban this book?
Gautam (Mumbai)
1 hr ago (02:27 PM)
This Modi is both smart and also playing to the gallery. What a stupid thing to do. Why ban a book? If you don’t agree or like, don’t read. Now he banned a book on the Mahatma and Congress supported. Next he will ban a book on say the Gujarat riots and the Congress won’t be able to oppose it. What a ploy…
pradip khimani (junagadh)
1 hr ago (02:26 PM)
welland timely decision by government of gujarat. Actually such authors and publishers should be punished.Pradip Khimani Junagadh 9426717000
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Vincent (Bangkok)
2 hrs ago (02:23 PM)
Most Western journalists/ monkey-authors try to make money by debunking well-established idols. The treatment they deserve is a solid thumping on the backside. Are there not enough Man-Indians in US to do this ? Alas, Hindu-India, thy name is Mr. Impotent.
Sudhir M (Pune)
2 hrs ago (02:21 PM)
Do sympathize with any Government which has to ban a book. Considering how close-minded we are in digesting disagreeable information – even if it were proven true later – what option does the government have? Banning books, or, any information for that matter reflects poorly on ourselves. We may disregrad a book, we may refute what’s written in a book, but ban any book we must not.
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Ganeshan (Bangalore)
2 hrs ago (02:20 PM)
Foolish act. It was made clear that the writer never made any suggestions tothat effect. It was the reviewer in the Daily Mail who put these ideas. To ban a book based on the review is illogical.
ANKITA UPADHYAY (india)
2 hrs ago (02:13 PM)
ONLY PROBLEM, WITH INDIA IS THAT, INDIA LIKES APPRECIATION , WHICH SHOULD BE BUTTERING ONE, BUT INDIA HATES CRITICISM WHICH IS HONEST, NO MAN OR PERSON IS BORN WITH DOING ONLY GOOD DEEDS, NOT EVEN GANDHI JI, WE ALL ARE AWARE OF HIS BHRAMCHARYA PRACTICE, SO I AM NOT SHOCKED IF HE WAS BISEXUAL…., BUT STILL GANDHI G HAD SOMETHING UNIQUE IN HIM, HE GAVE MANTRA OF SATYA, AHIMSA AND TOLERANCE…., ONE SHOULD NOT FORGET THAT, THERE ARE MANY PEOPLE WHO DO ALL SORT OF UNETHICAL THINGS STILL THEY ARE POPULAR, LIKE POLITICIANS, FILMSTARS, MEDIA PERSONALITIES, AND THE COMMON MAN……., WHEN LORD RAMA LEFT HIS WIFE…., SO GANDHI G AND WE ARE JUST HUMAN BEINGS, WHO GIVE THE NAME EXPERIENCE TO OUR MISTAKES….., BOOK SHOULD NOT BE BAN, IF YOU WANT TO BAN, BAN ADULT OR PORN SITES, TOBACCO CONSUMING AND ALL THOSE POLITICAL PARTIES WHICH ARE FORMED ON THE BASIS OF RELIGION…….
Aj (US)
2 hrs ago (02:12 PM)
It’s India vs Pak match so there is no one to comment here. Otherwise some congr-assi would have criticized Modi for this too. Tell the author to write about sexual life of Mother Mary, some one from Vatican, that will give him more fame and fortune than Gandhi.
Eastern (East)
2 hrs ago (02:08 PM)
Banned !!?? Afraid of some revelation? :P
N.A.Ananthanarayan (Chennai)
2 hrs ago (01:57 PM)
In fact the entry ban against the author Joseph Lelyveld should be enforced in India.
INDIA NEWS
MARCH 30, 2011, 10:01 A.M. ET
Indian State Bans Book Hinting Gandhi Had Gay Lover
Associated Press
MUMBAI—A state in western India banned Pulitzer-Prize winning author Joseph Lelyveld’s new book about Mahatma Gandhi on Wednesday after reviews saying it hints that the father of India’s independence had a homosexual relationship.
More bans have been proposed in India, where homosexuality was illegal until 2009 and still carries social stigma.
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Gujarat’s state assembly voted unanimously Wednesday to immediately ban “Great Soul: Mahatma Gandhi and His Struggle With India.”
The furor was sparked by local media reports, based on early reviews out of the U.S. and U.K., some of which emphasized passages in the book suggesting Gandhi had an intimate relationship with a German man named Hermann Kallenbach.
The book has not yet been released in India, so few here have actually read Mr. Lelyveld’s writings.
Mr. Lelyveld has said his work was taken out of context. “I do not allege that Gandhi is a racist or bisexual in ‘Great Soul,”” Mr. Lelyveld told the Times of India. “The word ‘bisexual’ nowhere appears in the book.”
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Mahatma Gandhi is widely regarded as the father of the Indian nation. Above, Congress party President Sonia Gandhi stands in front of a picture of Gandhi during the party’s plenary session in New Delhi, Dec. 19, 2010.
Still, several previous reviews “Great Soul” detailed its sections on Gandhi’s relationship with Kallenbach.
Writing in The Wall Street Journal, Andrew Roberts said that the only portrait on the mantelpiece opposite Gandhi’s bed was of Kallenbach.
“How completely you have taken possession of my body,” reads one widely quoted letter from Gandhi to Kallenbach. “This is slavery with a vengeance.”
Britain’s Daily Mail ran an article under the blaring headline: “Gandhi ‘left his wife to live with a male lover’ new book claims.”
The Mumbai Mirror on Tuesday ran a front page story under the headline “Book claims German man was Gandhi’s secret love,” which quoted the same passages as Roberts.
Sudhir Kakar, a psychoanalyst who has written about Gandhi’s sexuality and reviewed some of his correspondence with Kallenbach, said he does not believe the two men were lovers.
“It is quite a wrong interpretation,” he said.
Gandhi’s great goals were nonviolence, celibacy and truth, he said.
“The Hindu idea is that sexuality has this elemental energy which gets dissipated,” Mr. Kakar said. “If it can be sublimated and contained it can give you spiritual power. Gandhi felt his political power really came from his celibacy, from his spiritual power.”
He said Gandhi often filled his letters, including those to female associates, with strong love language, but that did not lead to physical intimacy.
“Nothing happened,” he said. “He is telling his feelings, but they are platonic. They are not put into action. That would have been terrible for him.”
Politicians in the state of Maharashtra, home to India’s financial capital Mumbai, have also called for a ban on the book and, along with Gujarat’s chief minister Narendra Modi, have asked the central government to bar publication nationwide.
Mr. Modi said Lelyveld should apologize publicly for “hurting the sentiments of millions of people.”
“It has become a fashion to tarnish the image of great Indian leaders for self publicity and sale of books,” said Sanjay Dutt, spokesman for the ruling Congress party in Maharashtra. “The government should invoke a law to severely punish anyone who tarnishes the image of the father of the nation.”
Ranjit Hoskote, a writer and general secretary of PEN India, which fights for free expression, condemned the ban and said local media had misconstrued both Lelyveld’s intentions and the nature of Gandhi’s relationship with Kallenbach.
“You can’t cite a worse example of third hand reportage and comment,” he said. “How can you ban a book you haven’t read?”
He said Gandhi’s correspondence with Kallenbach has been available in library archives for decades. “There’s no secret. There is no scandal,” he said.
March 30, 2011, 1:42 PM IST
‘Gandhi is No Gay Icon’
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By Margherita Stancati
In reports on Joseph Lelyveld’s “Great Soul: Mahatma Gandhi and His Struggle With India,” one issue has eclipsed all others, including allegations of racism: the possibility that Gandhi may have been gay
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Gay-rights activists say they are unlikely to claim Gandhi as part of their campaign.
Judging by the reactions the reviews sparked, Mr. Lelyveld’s book seems to have opened a new rift between many of his critics and supporters–the former arguing he probably was gay (and generally a weirdo), and the latter treating the suggestion as little short of blasphemy. What most seem to agree on is that being gay is definitely a bad thing.
The indignation over the Mahatma’s supposed sexual orientation came as no big surprise to Monish Malhotra, a gay rights activist and co-organizer of Delhi’s gay pride parade.
Although homosexuality was decriminalized in 2009, and is slowly becoming more socially accepted Mr. Malhotra is well aware that it remains a highly sensitive issue in India. He said outrage over Gandhi’s alleged bisexuality speaks also of the country’s still widespread homophobia.
Personally, Mr. Malhotra said he does not care whether Gandhi was or was not gay. “That’s beside the point,” said Mr. Malhotra in a recent interview. “Even if he was gay, what difference does it make? Does he not remain the father of the nation?” He hopes these fresh allegations will help people focus on individual merit, rather than sexual orientation.
Mr. Malhotra also said we are unlikely to see placards of Gandhi being brandished alongside rainbow flags at the next gay pride parade. For a start, from what he has gathered from commentaries and reviews of Mr. Lelyveld’s book so far, he doesn’t believe there is enough proof to suggest Gandhi was gay or bisexual. And even if he was, Mr. Malhotra pointed out Gandhi is not known to have spoken about it openly, which would rule him out as a poster child for gay rights. Overall, Mr. Malhotra thought it would be unwise to hijack a larger-than-life figure like Gandhi, since this would likely spark a backlash against the broader cause.
“You wouldn’t want to risk something as big as Gandhi’s image as part of your campaign,” said Mr. Malhotra. “No sensible person would do that.”
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3:34 pm March 30, 2011
Jeffrey Archer wrote:
Bit moot really given the author of the book has categorically denied alleging the Mahatma was gay, and that all the debate has in fact been sparked by a review in the Daily Mail I believe which incorrectly reported that the author of the book suggested the Mahatma had both homosexual and racist tendencies. Allegations flatly denied by the author, so much ado about nothing. Perhaps the WSJ could do better than flogging a dead horse with yet more unnecessary sensationalism. I would have thought that better left to the tabloids don’t you think?
4:34 pm March 30, 2011
Naresh Kadyan wrote:
Gandhian Ideologist, philosopher and social reformer Naresh Kadyan moved complaint with the HE the President of India bearing Grievance Registration Number is : PRSEC/E/2011/04750 dated 30-3-2011 about controversial book on Mahatma Gandhi, like wise matter taken up with the Department of Administrative Reforms & Public Grievances, Government of India vide registration number MOOIA/E/2011/00025 on dated 30-3-2011.
4:36 pm March 30, 2011
agree with Jeffrey Archer wrote:
period. kill this story.
8:01 pm March 30, 2011
Wow wrote:
“What most seem to agree on is that being gay is definitely a bad thing.”
What a disturbingly stupid conclusion. And a terrible article, to boot.
8:06 pm March 30, 2011
Sid Harth wrote:
I smell a rat. Book writers and their publishers, agents have used this technique to make the book more desirable. One Marathi writer, poet and freedom fighter, Vinayak Damodar Savarkar was involved in homosexual activities while he was in house arrest in Ratnagiri, then Bombay state by British government. Homosexuality in India is considered by people as unacceptable moral flaw. It does not mean that homosexuality does not exist. Recently, the supreme court of India has allowed homosexuality by law. The British collecto rbooked Savarkar for his crime but saince he was already in prison no further action was taken. The news of this incidence was suppressed by leading Marathi press. Nobody, including the author Lelyveld claims that Gandhi was homosexual or bisexual. The ruckus in India over the book, its banning in Gujarat is uncalled for.
http://cogitoergosum.co.cc/indias-superpower-euphoria-ccxciv/
…and I am Sid Harth
March 29, 2011, 2:46 PM IST
New Book Raises Question: Was Gandhi Gay?
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By Tripti Lahiri
Courtesy Knopf
More than six decades after his death, Mahatma Gandhi remains a polarizing figure—either revered or despised. So the arrival of a new book on him is a chance for those with well-formed unflattering opinions of Gandhi to trot out all his trespasses, as those on the other end of the spectrum leap to his defense.
Which is exactly what they did in reactions to a new book by Pulitzer Prize-winning author Joseph Lelyveld “Great Soul: Mahatma Gandhi and His Struggle With India,” officially out in the U.S. on Tuesday.
Of course, it’s not often a book on Gandhi—even the many revisionist books, plays and films that have come out in recent years and that have highlighted his unkindness to his wife, his remoteness as a father and his odd ways of testing his sexual self-control—has suggested that he might have been gay, or at least had one gay relationship.
The book, published in the U.S. by Knopf, part of Random House Inc., is not yet available in India. A local bookstore said the book was to be released by Random House in India, though a date hadn’t yet been set. But a spokeswoman for Random House India said the company didn’t have the India rights and could provide no further information. For now, readers in India will have to be content with what they can glean from the overseas reviews of the book.
Most have quoted these words written by Gandhi to one Hermann Kallenbach from Mr. Lelyveld’s book: “How completely you have taken possession of my body. This is slavery with a vengeance.”
A rather inflammatory review in this newspaper included mention of the passages and quotes relating to Kallenbach as part of a larger polemic on Gandhi that concluded with the suggestion that the man credited with being the architect of India’s freedom struggle didn’t really achieve all that much since the British were sick of India and departing anyway.
“As Mr. Lelyveld makes abundantly clear, Gandhi’s organ probably only rarely became aroused with his naked young ladies, because the love of his life was a German-Jewish architect and bodybuilder, Hermann Kallenbach, for whom Gandhi left his wife in 1908,” wrote Andrew Roberts, in a review of the book that categorizes a long list of Gandhi’s failings, managing even to work in a mention of the fact that he (Gandhi, not Mr. Roberts, we hasten to add) once suffered from hemorrhoids.
At one point Mr. Roberts notes: “Gandhi denounced lawyers, railways and parliamentary politics, even though he was a professional lawyer who constantly used railways to get to meetings to argue that India deserved its own parliament.” Oh, the hypocrisy.
In India, meanwhile, Gandhi relatives and historians have said they are upset by the interpretation of Gandhi’s letters to Kallenbach, although it’s not clear whether they’re upset by the suggestion of homosexuality or by the suggestion that he was cheating on his loyal wife. There has been less reaction to quotes in the book in which Gandhi expresses racist attitudes to black South Africans.
The Mail Today quoted Tushar Gandhi, a great-grandson, as saying Western writers have a “morbid fascination” with Gandhi’s sexuality—although this is no doubt because of Gandhi’s own repressive attitude towards sex and his adoption of celibacy even though he was married.
“It also helps that no matter what you write about him, there are no repercussions. Let them write such things about a Muslim or a Dalit leader,” said Mr. Gandhi. “It is always open season with Gandhi.”
In another piece in the same paper, writer Sourish Bhattacharyya quoted from a letter in which a jailed Gandhi expressed distress over his inability to come and help his ill wife to conclude that “these are not the words of a man who had deserted his wife to be with his ‘male lover.’” (It is not clear to this writer why feeling concern for his wife’s health would be conclusive proof against a relationship with Kallenbach.)
The Mail Today is a collaboration between weekly magazine India Today and the Daily Mail tabloid of the U.K.
Knopf, the book’s publisher, describes the work as a look at how Gandhi’s philosophy was shaped by his time in South Africa and the extent to which his ideas were “tested by an India that quickly learned to revere him as a Mahatma, or ‘Great Soul,’ while following him only a small part of the way to the social transformation he envisioned.”
The possible relationship with Kallenbach didn’t feature equally in all reviews of the book. A New York Times review largely stayed with Mr. Lelyveld’s focus on the shaping of Gandhi as a political activist and social reformer.
“The two decades Gandhi spent in South Africa are too often seen merely as prelude. Lelyveld treats them with the seriousness they deserve,” wrote Geoffrey C. Ward in that review, noting that it helped that Mr. Lelyveld served as New York Times correspondent in both countries.
Meanwhile, Mr. Lelyveld told the Indian daily The Times of India that he never actually used the word “bisexual” in the book and says he only used the word “racist” once, preferring to let the quotes speak for themselves.
Revisionist works on Mahatma Gandhi—the man, not the icon—have become pretty commonplace in recent years and many Indian readers won’t be particularly astonished to read that Gandhi, when it came to race rights, was far more concerned about Indians than he was about Africans.
We hope that the hullabaloo over the sexuality angle, however, doesn’t get the book banned here. We’d rather like the chance to read it ourselves.
UPDATE, 7:25 p.m. IST: A spokeswoman for Harper Collins India confirmed that they hold the India rights and said that the book should come out here towards the end of April.
What do you think of recent books on Gandhi? Are they too admiring or too critical? Let us know in the Comments section.
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March 29, 2011, 2:46 PM IST
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3:18 pm March 29, 2011
Peter Gade wrote:
Western writers glorify Churchill and deride Gandhi, Subhash and Nehru. It will not surprize anyone that Nehru was refered to as a cross-dresser by one of his western critics because he used to dress as a girl in school plays in early childhood. The writer probably did not know that in India this is a common practise. This also points out to the dangers of seeing things as you would imagine them to be, especially when you are seeing them from a different cultural context. It is well known to everybody that Gandhi was a normal heterosexual male with 5 children. However he developed guilt feelings about sex, because he was indulging in it while his father lay dying. Kasturba, his wife recalled years later in India that he still had a normal sex drive. Kallenbach had bestowed a 1000 acre Tolstoy Farm to Gandhi and he remained a close friend. There is nothing unusual in Gandhi’s letters as this was common language in India in those days. Rajmohan Gandhi another biographer of his grandfather has mentioned that he was also fascinated with another lady colleague although this would be platonic. All in all, despite the derisive critics who are always looking to spice things up, there is nothing to suggest that Gandhi was a homosexual. As far as politics is concerned, even Subhash Bose a trenchant critic of Gandhi refered to him as the “Father of the Nation” and acknowledged the mass awakening movement which Gandhi had initiated perhaps for the first time in human history. The impact of Gandhi can be seen in Egypt today and in all the third world countries; something which the western media would love to ignore if they could. As far as self sufficient villages are concerned, Gandhi was in touch with the Indian reality and more so than other arm chair philosophers. Even today, most governments of the world including western governments try to provide as many benefits as possible to local populations in rural areas to make them self sufficient and hence provide migration. The western world view needs to re-orient itself.
3:28 pm March 29, 2011
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4:01 pm March 29, 2011
sowhat wrote:
What would be the reason to indulge in such an issue, to prove that someone thought to be perfect isn’t? Would questions of his sexuality really change the person he was and the things he accomplished?
4:16 pm March 29, 2011
Varun Bengal wrote:
I wonder Lelyveld shows the same courage to right on American Leaders/politicians. What is the point in writing on soft target. What way to make money. Disgusting.
4:48 pm March 29, 2011
Nilay wrote:
The market is saturated with books on Gandhi and his achievements. Writing a controversial book is bound to generate sales, especially within India. Good strategic move by Mr. Lelyveld.
5:01 pm March 29, 2011
ROHIT wrote:
GREAT TRICK USED TO MAKE MONEY . CHEAP THING
6:28 pm March 29, 2011
wsjreader wrote:
Some people say its a cheap gimmick to make money but the fact is a significant percentage of its contribution is only because of media like the paid news.
7:32 pm March 29, 2011
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8:25 pm March 29, 2011
Rambo wrote:
I dunno about Gandhi but Churchill once licked his lips, looked very desperate and remarked that Gandhi looked like a naked fakir. I’m not sure how he pronounced that last word, but people have pointed to Churchill’s repressed homosexuality as the source of this lewd comment.
10:01 pm March 29, 2011
Ro wrote:
Not a surprise to observers of Congress. They will sleep with anyone and everyone if it meets some political goal.
10:08 pm March 29, 2011
Speedracer wrote:
Mr. Lelyveld who? Some poor writer in desperate need of cash. He’s so poor that he wants to make money by humiliating a poor country’s dead person. Mr. Lely.. what ever why don’t you go meet Mr Gandhi and ask him, wait, you can’t because he’s in heaven and you are going to hell.
10:49 pm March 29, 2011
Kumarpushp wrote:
How long you hindus will hide the facts from world .Gandhi was the born racist and sleeping with nacked women who were the same age like their daughter.He was the paedophile and Indian people should remove his photos from Indian rupees.Congress is following same culture of corrupt Gandi.
10:54 pm March 29, 2011
Speedracer wrote:
Kumar pu why use Hindu name when you are not and BTW Gandhi was a national leader that included all religion. Not sure why you are so insecure that you have to drag religion into everything to make a comment or just stand up and speak something. Gandhi was very open with what he did and wrote about it himself in his book, I doubt you know anything about it but just like to hide behind some religion and make wild accusation to feel good.
11:15 pm March 29, 2011
Jay wrote:
Gandhi lived in an era where racism was the order of the day and please read Churchill to know how racist he was. Remember that it was not till 1968 that the black man was liberated in America. How’s that for being late and delaying freedom for American blacks? Gandhi evolved as a politician and he outgrew the segregationist attitude of the times. Indian freedom was nobody’s dream till the 1919 Jallianwallah Bagh Massacre where unarmed protested were mowed down by the British General Dyer. This was the major turning point of the Indian freedom movement and Gandhi had been an activist for a quarter century by then. The author forgot to mention that it was Gandhi who drafted Ambedkar to author India’s constitution and it was Gandhi who led the anti-untouchability movement much before Ambedkar and infact he was staying at the untouchable neighborhood in Delhi the night before he was asassinated. Jinnah was a patriot who turned into a Bigot thanks to the British influence on him and his role is under question in Pakistan itself. Gandhi himself has written extensively on his sex life and even his wife has commented on it. Its an open book. Only somebody really out of his mind will call Kallenbach a homosexual and anybody seeking to construe Gandhi’s words to mean a physical relationship with Kallenbach probably does not understand the times and mores of the 1920′s and reads too much porn.
3:44 am March 30, 2011
Rupert wrote:
This isn’t the first time, Andrew Roberts, the White Supremacist, has gone after Gandhi. Given half a chance Roberts would rather see Britain rule over India all over again.
Needless to say he’s an unabashed admirer of Winston Churchill, and we all know what Churchill thought of Gandhi, to an extent he even wondered why Gandhi was still alive when on fast in a prison during one of his several imprisonments.
Perhaps it might also be instructive to read Johann Hari’s portrayal of Andrew Roberts in The Independent.
Of Andrew Roberts. Johann writes in his Opinion piece (dated 31 July, 2009) for The Independent –
Roberts, who has a new book out this week, describes himself as “extremely right-wing”. To understand him, you need to look at a small, sinister group of British-based South African and Zimbabwean exiles he has associated with. In 2001, Roberts spoke to a dinner of the Springbok Club, a group that regards itself as the shadow white government of South Africa. Its founder, a former member of the neo-fascist National Front, says: “In a nutshell our policy can be summed up in one sentence: we want our countries back, and believe this can now only come about by the re-establishment of civilised European rule throughout the African continent.”
The club, according to its website, flies the flag of apartheid South Africa at every meeting. The British High Commission has accused the club of spreading “hate literature”.
For more, it might yet be appropriate to read the full piece below:
http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/johann-hari/johann-hari-the-dark-side-of-andrew-roberts-1765229.html
4:55 am March 30, 2011
Sundar wrote:
Mahatma Gandhi was a human being. He wasn’t God and such he was fallible. Yet, looking at the sum total of his life, his strengths far outweigh his weaknesses. LIke many idealists, he was trying to lead a perfectionist’s life when it came to dealing with others than his own family.
Who cares if he was Gay or cheating on his wife when he was young? He’ll still be Mahatma for millions of Indians and for many thoughtful people of the world. Winston Churchill, who called Gandhi “half naked fakir,” is the real racist.
5:28 am March 30, 2011
Rambo wrote:
Hi Kumarpushp, what is a “nacked”? You must be a speaker of the Queen’s English like that old ‘fackir’ Churchill
5:47 am March 30, 2011
RF wrote:
Refer to the writer Tripti Lahiri’s comment >>>>> (It is not clear to this writer why feeling concern for his wife’s health would be conclusive proof against a relationship with Kallenbach.)
So the mention of a photo Gandhi retained of his association with Hermann Kallenbach and the use of words “body” and “soul” is concusive proof that he was gay?
I expected better than this from a WSJ writer.
Refer another instance of the writer above commenting on >>>>>> At one point Mr. Roberts notes: “Gandhi denounced lawyers, railways and parliamentary politics, even though he was a professional lawyer who constantly used railways to get to meetings to argue that India deserved its own parliament.” Oh, the hypocrisy.
What hypocrisy, Tripti Lahiri? Or do think it is not necessary to provide us the context in which Gandhi may have critisized Lawyers, Railways, Parliamentary Politics? He might have critisized British lawyers, or maybe he critised a lawyer’s stand on an issue. He might have critisized the British parliamentary system.
Could you care to tell of the context of his critisim before saying ” Oh, the hypocrisy”.
And Oh, “The british were sick of India and departing anyway” is it? How condescending to the millions who fought for independence.
I mean it’s not possible that years of struggle led by Gandhi made the British sick of India? No? Not possible?
Because Gandhi was far more concerned about Indians than Africans makes Gandhi a racist??? Laughable.
So if Obama does not send in fighter jets to help Syrians, Saudis, Baharanis like h did in defence of Libayans makes him a racist??
6:05 am March 30, 2011
Vittal Srimushnam wrote:
Some twenty three years back, there was a Movie about Jesus Christ (The Last temptation of Christ) that roiled quite a few Americans (where I live) and many called on the Church establishment to urge its ban. I remeber the Arch Bishpop’s comment (Which I paraphrase):
Everybody has a right to interpret the life of a great man. There have been many such appraisas. If the current appraisal is valid, it will last. If not, it will be consigned to dust bin and nobody will even rember it in future. Why ask for a ban?
Gandhi was one such great man. And this is one such appraisal.
7:00 am March 30, 2011
Selva wrote:
Since Andrew Roberts the British colonialist anti-Gandhi crusader has become a much sought after source on Gandhi, take some time to read about “the Dark Side of Andrew Roberts” by Johann Hari in a British newspaper..
http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/johann-hari/johann-hari-the-dark-side-of-andrew-roberts-1765229.html
7:45 am March 30, 2011
outsider wrote:
There is no doubt that Gandhi has been regarded as a great man by Indians and most of people in the world. Great men do not have to be perfect, since all humans are imperfect.
For most Indians, what made Gandhi great was his efforts to throw off the British shackle. Indian independence results more from British decline than from Indian movement. But it is natural for Indians to inflate the role of Gandhi and his movement, since it is embarrassing for such a big country to be ruled by a small of British. Years ago, Porto Ricans took pride in an imagined resistance movement against America during the Spanish-American War, because they were ashamed that they did little when America replaced Spain. So Indians and Porto Ricans share same mentality.
What makes Gandhi a great man in the world is his non-violent approach. Although Gandhi was inspired by others, such as Tolstoy and even Thoreau, he inspired a nation to adopt this approach. If nobody idolized Gandhi, the negative description of Gandhi’s private behavior would fall on deaf ears.
8:53 am March 30, 2011
Sri Prabhat wrote:
what Mahatma Gandhi was; or was not before He started his journey to discover the ‘TRUTH’ is less important!
How he surpassed all short comings in his personal as well as public life & led the humanity i to the philosophy and practice of ‘Nonviolence’ is to be ponder upon ;which he has described in his Autobiography.
THIS ONLY MATTERS !
10:27 am March 30, 2011
to RF wrote:
RF, i couldnt say it better!
i quote from the text: although this is no doubt because of Gandhi’s own repressive attitude towards sex and his adoption of celibacy even though he was married.
With this sentence i had to smile, because it shows exactly the way of thinking of the writer. Why it would be repressive not to have sex? And why you quote he was celibate even though he was married,, this two together sounds as if it is something very weird, so that could not be true so he must be gay then. It shows how in Western society sex is almost a religion.
12:12 pm March 30, 2011
Wisethoughts wrote:
I agree Vittal Srimushnam very stongly; these allegations need not be banned since they are not here to stay. I agree to these fellowmen & appreciate their noble thought shared here. NON VIOLENCE can bring big change in History was believed by Gandhiji & the whole nation also started believing. Is it a less of a accomplishment.
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MARCH 26, 2011
Among the Hagiographers
Early on Gandhi was dubbed a ‘mortal demi-god’—and he has been regarded that way ever since
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By ANDREW ROBERTS
Joseph Lelyveld has written a generally admiring book about Mohandas Gandhi, the man credited with leading India to independence from Britain in 1947. Yet “Great Soul” also obligingly gives readers more than enough information to discern that he was a sexual weirdo, a political incompetent and a fanatical faddist—one who was often downright cruel to those around him. Gandhi was therefore the archetypal 20th-century progressive intellectual, professing his love for mankind as a concept while actually despising people as individuals.
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For all his lifelong campaign for Swaraj (“self-rule”), India could have achieved it many years earlier if Gandhi had not continually abandoned his civil-disobedience campaigns just as they were beginning to be successful. With 300 million Indians ruled over by 0.1% of that number of Britons, the subcontinent could have ended the Raj with barely a shrug if it had been politically united. Yet Gandhi’s uncanny ability to irritate and frustrate the leader of India’s 90 million Muslims, Muhammad Ali Jinnah (whom he called “a maniac”), wrecked any hope of early independence. He equally alienated B.R. Ambedkar, who spoke for the country’s 55 million Untouchables (the lowest caste of Hindus, whose very touch was thought to defile the four higher classes). Ambedkar pronounced Gandhi “devious and untrustworthy.” Between 1900 and 1922, Gandhi suspended his efforts no fewer than three times, leaving in the lurch more than 15,000 supporters who had gone to jail for the cause.
Sixty-two years to the day since Mahatma Gandhi’s assassination ashes kept by a friend of the family for decades were finally sprinkled onto the waters of the Indian Ocean. Video courtesy of Reuters.
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President Barack Obama is set to do some soul searching in India this week with a visit to Mahatma Gandhi’s Mumbai home, now a memorial museum called the Mani Bhavan Gandhi Sangrahalaya. WSJ’s Eric Bellman offers this tour.
A ceaseless self-promoter, Gandhi bought up the entire first edition of his first, hagiographical biography to send to people and ensure a reprint. Yet we cannot be certain that he really made all the pronouncements attributed to him, since, according to Mr. Lelyveld, Gandhi insisted that journalists file “not the words that had actually come from his mouth but a version he authorized after his sometimes heavy editing of the transcripts.”
We do know for certain that he advised the Czechs and Jews to adopt nonviolence toward the Nazis, saying that “a single Jew standing up and refusing to bow to Hitler’s decrees” might be enough “to melt Hitler’s heart.” (Nonviolence, in Gandhi’s view, would apparently have also worked for the Chinese against the Japanese invaders.) Starting a letter to Adolf Hitler with the words “My friend,” Gandhi egotistically asked: “Will you listen to the appeal of one who has deliberately shunned the method of war not without considerable success?” He advised the Jews of Palestine to “rely on the goodwill of the Arabs” and wait for a Jewish state “till Arab opinion is ripe for it.”
In August 1942, with the Japanese at the gates of India, having captured most of Burma, Gandhi initiated a campaign designed to hinder the war effort and force the British to “Quit India.” Had the genocidal Tokyo regime captured northeastern India, as it almost certainly would have succeeded in doing without British troops to halt it, the results for the Indian population would have been catastrophic. No fewer than 17% of Filipinos perished under Japanese occupation, and there is no reason to suppose that Indians would have fared any better. Fortunately, the British viceroy, Lord Wavell, simply imprisoned Gandhi and 60,000 of his followers and got on with the business of fighting the Japanese.
Gandhi claimed that there was “an exact parallel” between the British Empire and the Third Reich, yet while the British imprisoned him in luxury in the Aga Khan’s palace for 21 months until the Japanese tide had receded in 1944, Hitler stated that he would simply have had Gandhi and his supporters shot. (Gandhi and Mussolini got on well when they met in December 1931, with the Great Soul praising the Duce’s “service to the poor, his opposition to super-urbanization, his efforts to bring about a coordination between Capital and Labour, his passionate love for his people.”) During his 21 years in South Africa (1893-1914), Gandhi had not opposed the Boer War or the Zulu War of 1906—he raised a battalion of stretcher-bearers in both cases—and after his return to India during World War I he offered to be Britain’s “recruiting agent-in-chief.” Yet he was comfortable opposing the war against fascism.
Although Gandhi’s nonviolence made him an icon to the American civil-rights movement, Mr. Lelyveld shows how implacably racist he was toward the blacks of South Africa. “We were then marched off to a prison intended for Kaffirs,” Gandhi complained during one of his campaigns for the rights of Indians settled there. “We could understand not being classed with whites, but to be placed on the same level as the Natives seemed too much to put up with. Kaffirs are as a rule uncivilized—the convicts even more so. They are troublesome, very dirty and live like animals.”
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Gandhi outside of his house on the Sevagram ashram, which he founded in Maharashtra in 1936.
In an open letter to the legislature of South Africa’s Natal province, Gandhi wrote of how “the Indian is being dragged down to the position of the raw Kaffir,” someone, he later stated, “whose occupation is hunting and whose sole ambition is to collect a number of cattle to buy a wife, and then pass his life in indolence and nakedness.” Of white Afrikaaners and Indians, he wrote: “We believe as much in the purity of races as we think they do.” That was possibly why he refused to allow his son Manilal to marry Fatima Gool, a Muslim, despite publicly promoting Muslim-Hindu unity.
Gandhi’s pejorative reference to nakedness is ironic considering that, as Mr. Lelyveld details, when he was in his 70s and close to leading India to independence, he encouraged his 17-year-old great-niece, Manu, to be naked during her “nightly cuddles” with him. After sacking several long-standing and loyal members of his 100-strong personal entourage who might disapprove of this part of his spiritual quest, Gandhi began sleeping naked with Manu and other young women. He told a woman on one occasion: “Despite my best efforts, the organ remained aroused. It was an altogether strange and shameful experience.”
Yet he could also be vicious to Manu, whom he on one occasion forced to walk through a thick jungle where sexual assaults had occurred in order for her to retrieve a pumice stone that he liked to use on his feet. When she returned in tears, Gandhi “cackled” with laughter at her and said: “If some ruffian had carried you off and you had met your death courageously, my heart would have danced with joy.”
Yet as Mr. Lelyveld makes abundantly clear, Gandhi’s organ probably only rarely became aroused with his naked young ladies, because the love of his life was a German-Jewish architect and bodybuilder, Hermann Kallenbach, for whom Gandhi left his wife in 1908. “Your portrait (the only one) stands on my mantelpiece in my bedroom,” he wrote to Kallenbach. “The mantelpiece is opposite to the bed.” For some reason, cotton wool and Vaseline were “a constant reminder” of Kallenbach, which Mr. Lelyveld believes might relate to the enemas Gandhi gave himself, although there could be other, less generous, explanations.
Gandhi wrote to Kallenbach about “how completely you have taken possession of my body. This is slavery with a vengeance.” Gandhi nicknamed himself “Upper House” and Kallenbach “Lower House,” and he made Lower House promise not to “look lustfully upon any woman.” The two then pledged “more love, and yet more love . . . such love as they hope the world has not yet seen.”
They were parted when Gandhi returned to India in 1914, since the German national could not get permission to travel to India during wartime—though Gandhi never gave up the dream of having him back, writing him in 1933 that “you are always before my mind’s eye.” Later, on his ashram, where even married “inmates” had to swear celibacy, Gandhi said: “I cannot imagine a thing as ugly as the intercourse of men and women.” You could even be thrown off the ashram for “excessive tickling.” (Salt was also forbidden, because it “arouses the senses.”)
In his tract “Hind Swaraj” (“India’s Freedom”), Gandhi denounced lawyers, railways and parliamentary politics, even though he was a professional lawyer who constantly used railways to get to meetings to argue that India deserved its own parliament. After taking a vow against milk for its supposed aphrodisiac properties, he contracted hemorrhoids, so he said that it was only cow’s milk that he had forsworn, not goat’s. His absolute opposition to any birth control except sexual abstinence, in a country that today has more people living on less than $1.25 a day than there were Indians in his lifetime, was more dangerous.
Telling the Muslims who had been responsible for the massacres of thousands of Hindus in East Bengal in 1946 that Islam “was a religion of peace,” Gandhi nonetheless said to three of his workers who preceded him into its villages: “There will be no tears but only joy if tomorrow I get the news that all three of you were killed.” To a Hindu who asked how his co-religionists could ever return to villages from which they had been ethnically cleansed, Gandhi blithely replied: “I do not mind if each and every one of the 500 families in your area is done to death.” What mattered for him was the principle of nonviolence, and anyhow, as he told an orthodox Brahmin, he believed in reincarnation.
Gandhi’s support for the Muslim caliphate in the 1920s—for which he said he was “ready today to sacrifice my sons, my wife and my friends”—Mr. Lelyveld shows to have been merely a cynical maneuver to keep the Muslim League in his coalition for as long as possible. When his campaign for unity failed, he blamed a higher power, saying in 1927: “I toiled for it here, I did penance for it, but God was not satisfied. God did not want me to take any credit for the work.”
Gandhi was willing to stand up for the Untouchables, just not at the crucial moment when they were demanding the right to pray in temples in 1924-25. He was worried about alienating high-caste Hindus. “Would you teach the Gospel to a cow?” he asked a visiting missionary in 1936. “Well, some of the Untouchables are worse than cows in their understanding.”
Great Soul: Mahatma Gandhi And His Struggle With India
By Joseph Lelyveld
Knopf, 425 pages, $28.95
Gandhi’s first Great Fast—undertaken despite his belief that hunger strikes were “the worst form of coercion, which militates against the fundamental principles of non-violence”—was launched in 1932 to prevent Untouchables from having their own reserved seats in any future Indian parliament. Because he said that it was “a religious, not a political question,” he accepted no debate on the matter. He elsewhere stated that “the abolition of Untouchability would not entail caste Hindus having to dine with former Untouchables.” At his monster rallies against Untouchability in the 1930s, which tens of thousands of people attended, the Untouchables themselves were kept in holding pens well away from the caste Hindus.
Of course, any coalition movement involves a certain degree of compromise and occasional hypocrisy. But Gandhi’s saintly image, his martyrdom at the hands of a Hindu fanatic in 1948 and Martin Luther King Jr.’s adoption of him as a role model for the American civil-rights movement have largely protected him from critical scrutiny. The French man of letters Romain Rolland called Gandhi “a mortal demi-god” in a 1924 hagiography, catching the tone of most writing about him. People used to take away the sand that had touched his feet as relics—one relation kept Gandhi’s fingernail clippings—and modern biographers seem to treat him with much the same reverence today. Mr. Lelyveld is not immune, making labored excuses for him at every turn of this nonetheless well-researched and well-written book.
Yet of the four great campaigns of Gandhi’s life—for Hindu-Muslim unity, against importing British textiles, for ending Untouchability and for getting the British off the subcontinent—only the last succeeded, and that simply because the near-bankrupt British led by the anti-imperialist Clement Attlee desperately wanted to leave India anyhow after a debilitating world war.
It was not much of a record for someone who had been invested with “sole executive authority” over the Indian National Congress as early as in December 1921. But then, unlike any other politician, Gandhi cannot be judged by actual results, because he was the “Great Soul.”
—Mr. Roberts’s “Storm of War: A New History of the Second World War” will be published in May.
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SRINIVAS SUNDER wrote:
Imperialism has long had its defenders, who have itched for the moment that they could take down their enemies and prove to the world that the White Man had indeed acted out of noble impulses to civilize his fellow Brown/Black human. Gandhi is the one icon that this breed would love to take down in the worst-possible way – after all, the exit of the British from India was the first chapter in the end of Imperialism. Once the Jewel in the Crown was gone, the fate of the rest of the Empire (and for Imperialism as a creed) was pretty much written as well. The WSJ editorial pages, the AEI, the Heritage Foundation, and any number of right-wing “think”tanks are home to any number of these people, and periodically, they step out to fling a little mud in defense of their creed. As another commenter pointed out, Andrew Roberts, an ardent admirer of Churchill (and thus, by definition, a Gandhi-hater) is one of this ilk, and, as such, this review is no surprise.
The “problem” with balanced biographies such as Lelyveld’s (who is probably horrified that his book has been so twisted out of shape by this review) is that it strives to make reference to both the good and the bad. This a particular flaw among Progressives; right-wingers rarely bend themselves out of shape to be balanced: How could they? After all, they are by definition, always Right (NOT!)).
I do believe it is fair to point out, as Lelyveld does, that Gandhi was a fanatic on the subject of non-violence. It was this fierce commitment that caused him to call off any number of efforts that left his supporters in the lurch – in each case, it was when violence broke out that he called off those movements. A balanced portrayal could have suggested that this was because Gandhi did not want to give the British an excuse to use violence to suppress a movement that had turned violent (and thus lost credibility). But Roberts instead professes a sympathy for Gandhi’s supporters that is inherently suspect, given his own demi-God Churchill’s fierce opposition to all that Gandhi stood for. His point that India could have won freedom a lot earlier than 1947 if only Gandhi had allowed those earlier movements to persist is also at odds with his later comment that the only reason India did get its independence in 1947 was because England was weakened after WW2 (which it surely was). If this were true, though, there would have been no reason for England to quit India before then, since England was surely in much better shape in the 1920s and 1930s.
It is also tendentious in pointing out that Gandhi had very British views about the separation of the races in S. Africa. Indeed, Gandhi, in his early days, was very much a WOG, and strove to be a Brit in all ways, a “credit to his race.” His views on race had to undergo an evolution before he turned into a fierce fighter against racism. It seems silly to say that he WAS one thing before he turned into something better. What’s your point? That he should have stayed a racist all his life?
And yes, a lot of what Gandhi strove for in India – unity among Hindus and Muslims, upliftment of the lowest, a village-driven agrarian economy – have all been only partially accomplished, or completely undone. So what? India has had four Muslim Presidents, one “untouchable” caste President, one woman President and Prime Minister, its largest state is ruled by a woman from the “untouchable” castes (whose closest adviser is a Brahmin from the “highest” caste), and so on. Set against that is much poverty and corruption, but to focus on that is to ignore what has been accomplished, a lot of which is directly attributable to Gandhi. And the greatest accomplishment – a unified India – has stood firm against all its enemies, foreign and domestic, rhetorical and real. And for his indispensable contribution to pulling that off, he is still the Mahatma, warts and all. Stick that in your eye.
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Naresh Kadyan wrote:
Gandhian Ideologist, philosopher and social reformer Naresh Kadyan moved complaint with the HE the President of India bearing Grievance Registration Number is : PRSEC/E/2011/04750 dated 30-3-2011 about controversial book on Mahatma Gandhi, like wise matter taken up with the Department of Administrative Reforms & Public Grievances, Government of India vide registration number MOOIA/E/2011/00025 on dated 30-3-2011.
“The government of India should take a serious note of the book that has made disgraceful statement on the national leader – father of the nation. It is demeaning for the nation,”
Government should initiate steps to ban sale of a controversial book on Mahatma Gandhi by Pulitzer prize-winning journalist Joseph Lelyveld.
“Gandhiji was a respected leader and is known as the father of nation. He led the freedom movement of India. The government should initiate steps to ensure that the book is not published in the India,”
The minister also informed that the state government would write to the Centre for not publishing the controversial book.
The founder Secretary General of the National Khadi and Village Industries Boards Employees Federation Naresh Kadyan said that the book ‘Great Soul: Mahatma Gandhi and His Struggle with India’ has maligned the character of the Father of Nation.
“This is very serious that the author of the book has raised questions about the character of Gandhiji who initiated non-violence movement.
“The references made by the American author are not acceptable and the Government of India should initiate steps to ensure that the book does not get published in India, the Central government to initiate steps to ban the book which maligns Mahatma Gandhi’s image,”
Media Adviser of the International Organisation for Animal Protection – OIPA in India Abhishek Kadyan along with Sukanya Kadyan, Director of the People for Animals ( PFA ) Haryana also support National Khadi and Village Industries Boards Employees Federation stand.
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Mike O’Malley replied:
So the government should initiate steps to ban sale of a controversial book on Mahatma Gandhi by Pulitzer prize-winning journalist Joseph Lelyveld. “Gandhiji was a respected leader and is known as the father of nation. He led the freedom movement of India. The government should initiate steps to ensure that the book is not published in the India,”
While you are at it perhaps you can extend that ban to works critical of Thomas Jefferson and promote Dónal Ó Conaill, The Emancipator, as the true father of modern non-violent mass protest?
Somehow I expect that citizens of modern India can handle criticism of a founding fater.
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Naresh Kadyan wrote:
Gandhian Ideologist, philosopher and social reformer Naresh Kadyan moved complaint with the HE the President of India bearing Grievance Registration Number is : PRSEC/E/2011/04750 dated 30-3-2011 about controversial book on Mahatma Gandhi, like wise matter taken up with the Department of Administrative Reforms & Public Grievances, Government of India vide registration number MOOIA/E/2011/00025 on dated 30-3-2011.
“The government of India should take a serious note of the book that has made disgraceful statement on the national leader – father of the nation. It is demeaning for the nation,”
Government should initiate steps to ban sale of a controversial book on Mahatma Gandhi by Pulitzer prize-winning journalist Joseph Lelyveld.
“Gandhiji was a respected leader and is known as the father of nation. He led the freedom movement of India. The government should initiate steps to ensure that the book is not published in the India,”
The minister also informed that the state government would write to the Centre for not publishing the controversial book.
The founder Secretary General of the National Khadi and Village Industries Boards Employees Federation Naresh Kadyan said that the book ‘Great Soul: Mahatma Gandhi and His Struggle with India’ has maligned the character of the Father of Nation.
“This is very serious that the author of the book has raised questions about the character of Gandhiji who initiated non-violence movement.
“The references made by the American author are not acceptable and the Government of India should initiate steps to ensure that the book does not get published in India, the Central government to initiate steps to ban the book which maligns Mahatma Gandhi’s image,”
Media Adviser of the International Organisation for Animal Protection – OIPA in India Abhishek Kadyan along with Sukanya Kadyan, Director of the People for Animals ( PFA ) Haryana also support National Khadi and Village Industries Boards Employees Federation stand.
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Jignesh Shah wrote:
It is a shame that WSJ is getting into the habit of taking a few things out of context, blowing them out of proportion to inflame controversy that will sell books. WSJ did the same with the recent Tiger mom episode where an out-of-context excerpt generated more opinions than the actual book itself. The book, it turns out, was more nuanced, balanced and actually quite lame.
The same seems to be happening here. If you read other prominent reviews and the author’s own statements, you will realize that WSJ’s reviewer exclusively picked the most controversial, in some cases irrelevant claims and presented them either out of context or without due caveat. For example, the comments on Gandhi’s sexual experiements exclude the fact that they were tests of his personal vow of celibacy. You may still not condone his experiements, but at least you know the context was not as horrendous as presented. Did Gandhi initially fight only for better treatment at the hands of British? Yes. Did he eventually outgrow that idea and dedicate his life for Indian self-rule? Yes! Was Gandhi bi-sexual? That’s a new one. But honestly, how is that relevant to what he accomplished?
And the reviewer has inexplicably ignored the majority of the book which is supposed to be about why Gandhi appealed to so many and how he became such a central figure in the Indian independence stuggle.
Having said that, it should hardly shock anyone that Gandhi was a human being complete with flaws and misgivings. Gandhi is not admired because he was infallible. He is not admired because he was born a Mahatma with the same values and philosohphy he died with. He is admired because he tranformed into a person who challenged many things thought to be beyond challenge – traditions, social norms, and an oppressive empire. And importantly, he did so with a philosophy he developed over the course of his life. A philosohy of humility, truth and non-violence that few are capable of rising to. A philosophy that was difficult to comprehend then and seems impossible to relate to now. That is the reason Einstein says about Ghandhi that “Generations to come will scarce believe that such a one as this ever in flesh and blood walked upon this earth.”
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Mike O’Malley replied:
Jignesh Shah writes: (Gandhi) is admired because he tranformed into a person who challenged many things thought to be beyond challenge – traditions, social norms, and an oppressive empire. And importantly, he did so with a philosophy he developed over the course of his life. A philosohy of humility, truth and non-violence that few are capable of rising to. A philosophy that was difficult to comprehend then and seems impossible to relate to now.”
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Yes Gandhi’s philosophy is difficult to understand. How can one not be struck by Gandhi’s open letter to the Jews in Palestine and Germany published in the Harijan on November 26, 1938. I think of Monsignor Bernard Lichtenberg of the Berlin diocese who as sent by the Gestapo to Tegel Prison and who died in a concentration camp on his way to the Priests Bock in Dachau for the crime of praying in the pulpit for “arrested Jews”. How can one not sense in this letter Gandhi’s callousness and mocking cruelty toward Jews in the body of this carefully worded public statement by Gandhi? How can one excuse the policy payload packed into the conclusion of the letter where Gandhi writes: “There are hundreds of ways of reasoning with the Arabs, if (the Jews) will only discard the help of the British bayonet. As it is, they are co-sharers with the British in despoiling a people who have done no wrong to them. I am not defending the Arab excesses. I wish they had chosen the way of non-violence in resisting what they rightly regarded as an unwarrantable encroachment upon their country. But according to the accepted canons of right and wrong, nothing can be said against the Arab resistance in the face of overwhelming odds.”
No Gandhi doesn’t defend “Arab excesses”. Gandhi tells us he will not protest Islamic violence against Jews because such violence is morally justified!
Let’s see from Andrew Roberts’ review just how Gandhi was transformed into a Mahatma in his final years. Andrew Roberts observes; Gandhi tells “Muslims who had been responsible for the massacres of thousands of Hindus in East Bengal in 1946 that Islam “was a religion of peace,” and then goes on to treat Hindu victims of Islamic violence in 1946 with callous cruelty similar to the way he treated the Jews in late 1938!
A transformation Indeed!
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SRINIVAS SUNDER replied:
Mike,
You’ve brought up the alleged “whitewashing” of Muslim massacres by Gandhi several times. Let me respond to that.
Gandhi was making the point that ALL violence was wrong, NOT that it’s ok when Muslims do it, and that communal riots triggered by Muslims in Muslim-majority areas (which naturally resulted in the deaths of minorities in those areas) did NOT justify doing the same unto Muslims in Hindu-majority areas. It does not take much more than common sense (and an unjaundiced set of eyes) to understand this. My own grandfather, certainly not a blind follower of Gandhi, understood this when he gave shelter to his Muslim landlord’s family in Hindu-majority Calcutta in 1947, when Hindu mobs were roaming the streets baying for Muslim blood.
And, he certainly was not advocating the British Government do nothing about it either. Indeed, he often castigated the British Government for their policies which pitted Hindu against Muslim, “upper caste” Hindu against “lower caste” Hindu against “untouchables.” These policies – such as the partition of Bengal in 1907 – were the triggers for much of the violence that occurred. He also castigated them for sitting by idly and letting these riots occur because they served their cynical purposes. The same British forces that could very effectively stem protests by hundreds of thousands of protesters with sticks and guns was perfectly happy to sit by and let riots between Hindus and Muslims to occur, because it benefited them for their enemies to be divided.
Your point about the linkage between such “whitewashing” and the massacres in East Pakistan in 1971 is, to put it charitably, undiluted rubbish. The vast majority of the people massacred by Pakistan’s armies in 1971 were Muslims, slaughtered by fellow Muslims. To the extent that Hindus were also butchered, it was not because of their faith, but because they were Bengalis agitating for the formation of a nation separate from West Pakistan. The West Pakistanis (mostly Pathans and Punjabis) thought that Bengalis (of all religions) were weak and effeminate. And slaughtered them w/o compunction (and raped the women) when they rose in protest. It took an Indian Army – led by a Parsi, and composed of Hindus, Muslims, Sikhs, Christians, Parsis and atheists, all of whom swore an oath to defend a Nation that they acknowledged Gandhi to be the Father of – to step in and throw the Pakistani Army out.
That said, Gandhi was unbelievably naive about the viciousness of Germans towards Jews and about that of the Japanese to their fellow Orientals. And, while he’s right that the Arabs had done no harm to the Jews (the Ottoman Empire was probably the most tolerant of the pre-WW1 empires unlike the European ones), his unbending approach w.r.t. the use of non-violence with those regimes would have fallen flat on its face. That makes him a poor judge of those regimes, not an evil one. If that’s the modified judgment of history, it’s but a mild tarnish.
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Nat Ramachandran wrote:
I hope Andrew Roberts got paid well for writing this gossip. He could have made more money had he wrote this intellectually-defunct column in “The National Inquirer”.
For a man whose expertise is in brown-nosing the fat man (as “Family Guy” fame Stewie Griffin would call his Dad) Winnie Church-ill, he kinda went out of his league attempting to do a book review.
The problem isn’t that his review focused on the sexual weirdness of Gandhi or the fact that politically he achieved far less than he could have.
He could have reviewed the book for what it is and showcased a complex personality that Gandhi was. That is probably asking too much from Andrew Roberts. He wouldn’t consider himself–I certainly wouldn’t–to be qualified to write a decent book review.
Gandhi never considered himself as a demi-God (for the most part Western journalists made him into one) nor did he consider himself to be a political exemplar (again made up by Western journalists).
For those that want a decent review of what Gandhi did, read Nehru’s chapter on Gandhi (“The Coming of Gandhi”) in his “Discovery of India”.
All that Gandhi wanted was for the British to leave India, to achieve that freedom in a non-violent way, to stem the tide of religious violence, and, finally, to uplift the millions of people in the lowest socio-economic strata. None of this is easy, especially given the socio-economic milieu within India.
Gandhi was an ambitious, stubborn and insistent man. All said, in the end the lanky Gandhi comprehensively mauled up the fatuous English fatso Winston Churchill (hell, his own country threw him out of power–probably his lunch tab was becoming unbearable for the English taxpayer).
Andrew Roberts – I will send you $10 if you promise not to write a book review ever again.
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12 hours ago
PIYUSH DHANUKA replied:
Nehru’s review is of course biased. He was Gandhi’s hand-picked successor.
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Mike O’Malley replied:
Yes Mr. Dhanuka, and was not Nehru’s power and prestige founded in no small part on the myth of the “Great Soul”?
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SRINIVAS SUNDER replied:
Despite being Gandhi’s successor, Nehru was not a Gandhian. He was an urbanist, not an agrarian, in terms of economic philosophy. He had no problem using the Army to bash Pakistan as and when it was needed. And he certainly was no celibate, given his romance with Lady Edwina (which may not have been sexual, but unquestionably existed).
Indeed, in most ways, he was the un-Gandhi. His description of himself was “Hindu by birth, Muslim by upbringing, European by education.” The difference was that, like discerning individuals (which this reviewer has shown himself to NOT be), he saw the essence of the man, and recognized both political effectiveness and the inherent nobility of non-violence as an approach to fighting an enemy that had almost unlimited ability to fight back with sticks and bullets but virtually no moral ammunition.
I am not a Nehru fan, by the way. India could have been a much more prosperous nation much earlier on had it not been for his love-affair with Socialism (that darned European education!). But he was still a great man in his own way (just not the ways that I would have liked him to be great in).
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1 hour ago
Mike O’Malley replied:
Fair enough Mr. Sunder, but Nehru might well be an unreliable biographer of Gandhi because Nehru’s power and prestige founded in no small part on the myth of the “Great Soul”?
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1 hour ago
Nat Ramachandran replied:
Fair enough Mike.
But you consider the book — which, at best, is a third degree distant review and understanding — to be a better one than Nehru’s?
I am planning to read it but I know how to assess Gandhi as I’ve read about him from multiple forums as well as different angles. This book, by highlighting some oddities of Gandhi, is likely to leave a bad opinion about him.
Hence my suggestion to read Nehru.
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14 hours ago
Daniela Arno wrote:
The reviewer is only the messenger bringing the bad news about Gandhi. Why kill the messenger? If you want to criticize someone, criticize the author who wrote this biography. What’s the problem? Too much detail we are not open-minded enough to accept?
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13 hours ago
Jignesh Shah replied:
Does open minded mean only looking at part of the picture to form an opinion? The reviewer deserves the flak he is getting. Based on other reviews and the authors own comments, it is a gross representation of the book. Here is a different review from another prominent US news source. Hope you are open minded enough to read it! http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/30/books/in-great-soul-joseph-lelyveld-re-examines-gandhi.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1&partner=rss&emc=rss
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13 hours ago
Mike O’Malley replied:
So when are we going to see a few more open minds, among the defenders of Gandhi, critically considering factual historical actions of Gandhi that would sink the reputation of just about any other leader?
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12 hours ago
Daniela Arno replied:
The review you posted is the same as the WSJ review. Clearly Gandhi was a sexual pervert and a pedophile. And he accomplished exactly nothing politically.
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11 hours ago
John Smon replied:
Please list one instance in which Gandhi ever molested or even had a sexual attraction towards a prepubescent child, you absolutely horrible, revolting woman. This biography was a positive biography of Gandhi. The pathetic individual who wrote this review twisted it to his own means, attacking liberals.
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4 hours ago
Mike O’Malley replied:
Notice Ms. Arno how those who offer factual criticism of Gandhi are repeatedly subjected to ad hominem attack and vilification in this comment area. According to John Smon you are “absolutely horrible, revolting woman” because you transgressed the ‘Great Soul’.
Over and over again the Wall Street Journal is shamed for daring to publish unflattering fact about Gandhi. Jenna Rome above writes. “(t)his is a shameful book “review”. And it is utterly shameful that the WSJ would publish such out and out slanderous garbage.” One wonders where these pro-Gandhi voices of protest have been during the relentless daily slandering and vilification of persons of far better character than Gandhi: such as Pope Pius XII, Pres. George W. Bush and Sarah Palin?
Imagine the response if Pres. George Bush Sr. was found to have said the following about African Americans: “”We were then marched off to a prison intended for Kaffirs,” Gandhi complained during one of his campaigns for the rights of Indians settled there. “We could understand not being classed with whites, but to be placed on the same level as the Natives seemed too much to put up with. Kaffirs are as a rule uncivilized—the convicts even more so. They are troublesome, very dirty and live like animals.”
Or imagine what would have been said of Rev. Martin Martin Luther King if during the civil rights protests Rev. King had penned up African Americans at ‘the back of the bus’ the way Gandhi treated India’s Untouchables.
“At (Gandhi’s) monster rallies against Untouchability in the 1930s, which tens of thousands of people attended, the Untouchables themselves were kept in holding pens well away from the caste Hindus.”
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12 hours ago
Jignesh Shah replied:
While I cannot imagine how you arrived at such a conclusion, I am glad you at least read the other review.
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9 hours ago
Harsh Agarwala replied:
Please do not confuse open-minded with a voyeuristic and fetishist bent. The reviewer himself starts off by saying that the book is mostly positive about the life and contributions of Gandhi and then goes on to single out and discuss Gandhi’s idiosyncrasies in graphic detail. The reviewer is rightly being slammed for his ineptness and obviously prejudiced approach.
There should indeed be an open and frank discussion about Gandhi but any discussion using drivel passing off for a book review as its basis should be best kept aside for a third rate S&M website.
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3 hours ago
Mike O’Malley replied:
OK Mr. Agarwala, do you want to try your hand at my questions comparing Gandhi to Martin Luther King and Pres. George Bush Sr. above?
What about Andrew Roberts’ criticism of Gandhi’s whitewashing Islamic religious cleansing and massacres of thousands of Hindus in East Bengal in 1946? Did Gandhi’s negation of Islamic violence against non-Muslims contribute to the slaughter of millions of Hindus in East Pakistan in 1971. Muslim apologists to this day deflect criticism of Islamic violence and tout Gandhi when offering character reference for Islam’s peaceful non-violent nature in its relations with non-Muslims. Gandhi did not so restrained his critiques of Christianity or of Jewish refugees fleeing Germany for Palestine in 1938.
Tell us Mr. Agarwala, how many of the twenty some paragraphs of this review address Gandhi’s sexual perversion? Might not the inclusion of such information illustrate the degree to which the myth of the Great Soul relies upon whitewash? Might not Gandhi ‘sexual’ relationship with and viciousness to Manu, his great niece, provide context for our understanding Gandhi’s character and public persona? ,
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2 hours ago
Harsh Agarwala replied:
First things first Mr. O’Malley. I am not a Gandhi apologist but i do object to his decisions being arbitrarily illustrated in the context of his “personal” sexual tendencies.
With regards to your specific questions:
a) I do not quite understand your question with regards to GB Sr. Your observation about Martin Luther King is a bizarre analogy because from my limited understanding Martin Luther King was himself an African American while Gandhi was definitely not an untouchable. Untouchables being permitted to attend a public event in early 20th century India was in itself an achievement. Please bear in mind that during this period, untouchables were not even allowed to use the same roads in some cases. Having said that, segregation on the basis of birth is definitely deplorable and Gandhi should have done even more to include them in the mainstream. Perhaps, and i am guessing here, he was afraid that too bold a step might result in an even stronger backlash from the mainstream. Blaming Gandhi for not doing enough against untouchability is akin to blaming Abraham Lincoln for not having done enough to prevent segregation of American Americans. Miracles do not happen overnight. The process STARTED by one great man can sometimes take a century before it fructifies.
b) It was a deplorable move by Gandhi to justify violence of any kind in any context, especially since he was an ardent advocate of non-violence. However any connection between his justification of communal violence in the 40s and the communal cleansing of the 70s is tenuous at best.
c) Gandhi, i am sure did not have a deep enough understanding of the issues and crisis roiling Europe and the Middle-East in the 40s so it would have been best had he kept his trap shut. But a caveat here, Gandhi was a public figure and public figures are expected to have an opinion about everything.
d) I am afraid i did not count the number of paragraphs describing his bedroom behavior and i am unlikely to do it on your behest. An individuals personal behavior might give you clues to public persona but any such analysis should be done by trained professionals who have access to the context of the situation as well as the veracity of the situation described. Hearsay can be a very damaging source of information which is why most courts of justice do not accept it as evidence.
Lastly, any unbiased assessment studies the context as diligently as it studies the actions. This “book review” falls short on being diligent about anything. Perhaps the book might be more insightful. I will pick up a copy over the weekend, i suggest you do the same before recommencing this debate!
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2 hours ago
SRINIVAS SUNDER replied:
Daniela,
The point is not open-mindedness, so much as narrow-mindedness. If the reviewer had even made the slightest attempt to point out the monumental accomplishments of the man before attempting a tendentious take-down with facts taken out of context and a total ignorance of history (for someone who professes to be a historian!), the debate would not be necessary.
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1 hour ago
Nat Ramachandran replied:
Daniela is seeking attention.
With Twitter-like thoughts (confined to bumper stickers) she is attempting to argue.
Just acknowledge her ability to speak English, which would make her very happy.
She ain’t no worthy adversary. (She is, as Fox’s Bill O’Reilly would call, a mindless flame thrower.)
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15 hours ago
Jenna Rome wrote:
This is a shameful book “review”. And it is utterly shameful that the WSJ would publish such out and out slanderous garbage. As an American, I wonder if we would stand it if someone wrote such a blatant piece of hate literature cloaking it as a book review. Can someone write a review that calls JFK an out and out philanderer misogynist who disrespected women, spread disease through sex, was involved with organized crime, achieved his greatness due to the black money of his father (earned from bootlegged liquor and other dubious means), had a great sense of entitlement (like his father Joe Kennedy)? C’mon!! The outcry, especially from the family and their supporters would be deafening.
What does this guy have against Gandhi? Trying to sell books? Did Gandhi do some strange things? Yes. Just like MLK, JFK, GWBush I, Clinton (I mean really, how disgusting what that man did IN OFFICE) and countless other world leaders and icons. They were HUMAN. This does not take away from their great contributions to the world.
Your reviewer is very obviously biased, and it is clear he has been waiting for a moment to make his prejudices known. I’d love to know what is in his closet. Shame on the WSJ for publishing such blatant filth.
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14 hours ago
Daniela Arno replied:
The truth stings, does it? When the shoe fits…etc…etc…
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13 hours ago
Mike O’Malley replied:
Yes, indeed Ms. Arno, if the shoe fits!
Yes Gandhi “(j)ust like MLK, JFK, GWBush I, Clinton (I mean really, how disgusting what that man did IN OFFICE) … ” Except substitute American “Negro” for Hindu “Untouchable” below and can you imagine Martin Martin Luther King trying to pull-off this trick during the civil rights protests during the 1960s?
“At (Gandhi’s) monster rallies against Untouchability in the 1930s, which tens of thousands of people attended, the Untouchables themselves were kept in holding pens well away from the caste Hindus.”
Or imagine the response if George Bush Sr. was found to have said the following about African Americans: “”We were then marched off to a prison intended for Kaffirs,” Gandhi complained during one of his campaigns for the rights of Indians settled there. “We could understand not being classed with whites, but to be placed on the same level as the Natives seemed too much to put up with. Kaffirs are as a rule uncivilized—the convicts even more so. They are troublesome, very dirty and live like animals.”
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Yes MLK, JFK, GHWB & William Jefferson Clinton were and are human, but somehow Gandhi is above factual criticism for what would make any modern ‘human’ leader an object of scorn.
Say what you like about Pres. Clinton’s personal life, but at least Pres. Clinton had the moral clarity to stop the genocide and the religious cleansing in Bosnia and Kosovo; much unlike the “Great Soul” who ‘gave To a Hindu” victim of Islamic genocide and religious cleansing in East Bengal “who asked how his co-religionists could ever return to villages from which they had been ethnically cleansed, Gandhi blithely replied: “I do not mind if each and every one of the 500 families in your area is done to death.”
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15 hours ago
William Griese wrote:
Hillarious! I always found it odd that so many people act like this guy was the greatest man who ever lived or whatnot. Very illuminating!
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13 hours ago
Jignesh Shah replied:
If you found this review illuminating, maybe you should read the whole book! Which, it seems, is quite different from what is presented in this WSJ review.
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23 hours ago
ajay gopalan wrote:
sure, gandhi wasn’t perfect and had his vices and his imperfections, but he was still a pretty phenomenal person who fought hard for india’s independence
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1 day ago
NARAYANADAS UPADHYAYULA wrote:
The intention of the new biographer of the Mahatma seems to be only to shock and awe, sensationalize and make money. He reminds me of Sue Wiley, a character in Irving Wallace’s “The Prize”: Here is Wiley’s portrait as Wallace depicted it:
“To Sue Wiley…truth was undependable. If you dug for truth you would uncover no treasure but instead have dull hard facts, proving nothing, accomplishing nothing…She had been blind to the value of truth because its rewards were unpredictable…‘Make ’em say ‘Gee Whiz’, and that was it really, and devil take the facts. A sound rumour, an apocryphal anecdote, a distorted quotation, a whispered scandal, even if one-half true or less, was to be preferred to nothing-but-the-truth, if nothing-but-the-truth was an anesthetic. The point was to excite, create talk, sell newspapers…
“…Sue Wiley was not immoral but amoral. She was too self-absorbed to anticipate hurt inflicted or wonder about it afterwards. She was not inherently ill-intentioned, even though her technique was often harmful…
“…Her delight was not in learning of Julius Caesar’s campaigns but in learning that he wore a crown of laurel to hide his increasing baldness. Napoleon’s victories left her cold, but the information that he possessed exceptionally small ‘reproductive organs’ fascinated her…Dr. William Lyon Phelps’ complaint, ‘Instead of selecting a subject, modern biographers pick a victim. It’s getting so that good men are afraid to die’ left her unmoved…
“The International Red Cross is a sacred cow. Sue Wiley seized upon the 1 per cent of it that was defective to condemn the entire organisation. The Boy Scouts of America were inviolable. Sue Wiley spanked them…She misused her letters of introduction to Dr. Albert Schweitzer…entirely ignoring his brilliance and selflessness…described him…solely as an egotistical Teutonic tyrant who inefficiently conducted an unsanitary jungle hospital…” (Wallace, Irving. The Prize. New English Library, London. 1981. p.134-5).
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1 day ago
Priyank Mandavawala wrote:
This is write-up is nothing but absolute tripe….Its an attempt to slander the image of one of the greatest statesman ever. Shocking to see such an article in WSJ.
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Ranjit Goswami wrote:
How do I react – reading the article itself was a big shock. Now I have been reading the comments…
Mala Kumar and many others feel without Gandhiji, India would not have been freed. Without being a historian, I wonder whether all the nations in the world that attained freedom – starting primarily from the end of WWII – do they all have an iconic figure like Gandhi? Well, for South Africa – which was indeed delayed, we had Mandela – however what about the remaining nations from Asia, Africa or even LatAm? To the best of my knowledge – most don’t have any Gandhi like figure – and they still got free from British or French or Spanish or Dutch colonies?
It was the global developments more in play than the local freedom struggles. I am not ignoring the local protests, but getting the macro-picture is more important.
Coming back to many other views – which even partly I have that how can Joseph Lelyveld or Andrew Roberts hurt the feelings of millions of Indians, who treat Gandhi like God – my question would be – did they say this when M F Hussain painted Indian Gods naked. Let me be honest – I was more hurt (and then started ignoring rather than being hurt) than this piece here.
Yes, India did promote Gandhi more than others (and lately the Nehru dynasty). So most eminent Indians – not excluding freedom fighters alone, did not receive their fame compared to Gandhi. JFK said: ‘The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie — deliberate, contrived and dishonest, but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic. Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.’
We should only support that the truth overcomes myths and lies.
There are reasons to respect China and Chinese prudence. China is one of the nations that is not driven by hypes. China has always (including Premier Wen Jiabao’s recent India visit) shown deep love with Tagore – one of great thinkers of mankind. The greatest of the people from any nationality should first be great man themselves – nationalities come later.
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21 hours ago
Vinay Duggal replied:
Gandhi started the process.
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1 day ago
HIMANSHU PANT wrote:
Is it the same Andrew Roberts who said “for Churchill, apotheosis came in 1940; for Tony Blair, it will come when Iraq is successfully invaded and hundreds of weapons of mass destruction are unearthed from where they have been hidden by Saddam’s henchmen” http://bit.ly/gLf7?
If yes, I do not think anything more needs to be said about his credentials or the quality of his review or even WSJ’s wisdom in choosing him to review a book on Gandhi.
He is clearly part and parcel of the tribe of intellectual hacks who are actually propagandists and spies for the imperial powers. Their main job is to make sure to destroy any icon or personality, living or historical that can come from any civilization or country apart from theirs. His predecessors did that so well, that in many a colony till today, they look up to the cultures of their imperial masters and have for heroes those who exploited them shamelessly.
The British did this divide and rule well for many centuries, exploiting any and every fissure, division or difference of opinion to rule over the colonies, but seems Andrew has not realized, we will not fall for it again, the ruled have become smarter.
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Sulla Felix wrote:
Oh boy……this is going to be bigger than James Laine.
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1 day ago
CHANDRA VARANASI wrote:
Which issues are you referring to?Gandhi’s role in mobilizing the masses is unquestioned. Prior to his return from South Africa in 1915, Congress was pretty much a debating society with the likes of Tilak and Gokhale. His efforts at Hindu Muslim unity and his desire for it was genuine. So was his passion and work in trying to eradicate untouchability. His fanatical display of modesty drove a lot of people nuts, as did his pointless and almost comical experiments with celibacy – all of which was perhaps rooted in his parochial upbringing of a middle class Hindu. He never tried to dazzle anybody with his sophistication – intellectual or otherwise, but his ability to move the country was unrivaled.
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PIYUSH DHANUKA replied:
“Sleeping naked with his 17-year-old great-niece”- is that true or false? Can you prove it to be false?
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CHANDRA VARANASI wrote:
One of the occupational hazards of being a historian, it is often said, is that you could develop a blind love affair with your subjects. Having written a bit too much about the second world war, Roberts seems to have imbibed Churchill’s unadulterated hatred of Gandhi. Not the sensational stuff about this Kallenbach guy, which is par for the course for a reviewer desperate to get attention; not Gandhi’s attitude towards blacks in South Africa that he describes with a ‘gotcha’ relish – it is his effort to completely belittle Gandhi’s role in India’s freedom movement. It behooves an imperialist to praise the moderation of Britain in ‘only’ arresting Gandhi as opposed to having him ‘shot’ as Hilter might have! Have never read such a contemptuous piece before, inviting contempt in return for the reviewer. With such a lack of balance on display, is it possible for him to have written any nuanced history about any subject? I certainly have second thoughts in my mind about Roberts’s intellect now. His final comment that Britain would have gone on merrily ruling India but for the costly War, begs the question: to what end? just to continue to bear the white man’s burden of having to civilize the natives? or maybe just to rob some more of whatever was left of India?
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1 day ago
PIYUSH DHANUKA replied:
His commentry may be one-sided and biased, but are the issue raised false?
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1 day ago
Mike O’Malley replied:
Notice Mr. Dhanuka how often defense of Gandhi in these comments involves ad hominem attack upon Andrew Roberts, who is currently being vilified in quarters around the web for the sin of airing some of Gandhi’s dirty laundry. One must wonder, why do Gandhi’s admirers efface and excuse Gandhi’s flaws by dismissing Andrew Robert’ factual critique unanswered.
Why is Gandhi above fair and factual criticism? One may marvel at how Gandhi is so often given a pass despite the facts while other moral leaders such as Pope Pius XII and Pope Benedict XVI are often readily condemned and vilified without factual basis.
As I wrote earlier.I have long been troubled by some of Gandhi’s statements to and about Jews during the time of the Third Reich. Where some find support for non-violence I find cold indifference, insensitivity and even cruel dismissive mockery of Jews during a time of frightful suffering. Gandhi wrapped approval of Islamic violence against Jews in Palestine in the rhetoric of non-violent resistance. One may wonder why isn’t Gandhi’s failure to actually condemn Muslim violence against Jews held up to the same critical examination applied to other contemporaneous moral leaders?
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1 day ago
Edward Veeser wrote:
Embarrassing, WSJ.
This ilterary critic makes absolute statements that make the whole review nonsense. All politics all the time makes this Professor seem a little simple, like an undergraduate writing his first attack piece. Where is the whole Gandhi? Why on earth did all those people revere him and did he have anything at all to do with forcing the British out?
I don’t think the reviewer has a clue about his subject, whether or not he’s got some or all of his facts right.
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Mala Kumar replied:
So true Mr. Veeser! Couldn’t have said it any better. Shame on WSJ!!
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1 day ago
PIYUSH DHANUKA wrote:
In response to Jitesh Ramanathu’s reply : ” You missed important points in the whole article. The very reason why Gandhiji was criticized during the world war was because, he decided to revolt against the British at such a crucial hour. He was somewhere in between Bose (totally aligning with the Japanese), and Jinnah (who was totally with the British). The author is clearly with Jinnah on this issue. Whose side are you?
Gandhiji was politically correct…..”
Jitesh,
You said it well that Gandhi was politically correct.
India needed true patriots, not politically-correct politicians. That is central to my whole argument.
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PIYUSH DHANUKA wrote:
Will someone answer the question please:
Why did Gandhi not act on his promise to India that “patition will happen over my dead body”?
Gandhians blame other politicians for partition. Gandhi could have easily started an Anshan (Greast Fast) to prevent partition, and masses would have follwed him. He did not do that, and masses suddenly woke up to the reality of partition. Result was a genocide of both Hindus & Muslims and a forever state of war. People trusted him, worshiped him; and he failed the people of Indian subcontinent at their most critical moment.
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PIYUSH DHANUKA replied:
Will someone answer the question please:
Why did Gandhi not act on his promise to India that “patition will happen over my dead body”?
Gandhians blame other politicians for partition. Gandhi could have easily started an Anshan (Greast Fast) to prevent partition, and masses would have follwed him. He did not do that, and masses suddenly woke up to the reality of partition. Result was a genocide of both Hindus & Muslims and a forever state of war. People trusted him, worshiped him; and he failed the people of Indian subcontinent at their most critical moment.
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1 day ago
mathew ninan wrote:
That a venerable journal would allow a self confessed white supremacist to write a commentary on Gandhi shows what depths your publication has sunk to, since takeover by the Australians. During the latter years of Gandhi’s life the so-called ‘advanced’ civilizations were ruled by men such as Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini and followed by mass murderers such as Chairman Mao. Compared to these, Gandhi was indeed a ‘saint’. As for the ruler of the ‘Empire’ at that time, I reserve the last few lines. A juvenile delinquent who was expelled from his school, a ne’er do well who only made it in politics due to his upper class connections, a man who constantly and publicly uttered racial comments his whole life, was Gandhi’s chief critic. His so-called leadership during World War 2 came primarily from a series of speeches he supposedly made during the war. Not surprisingly, it later turned out that it all the speeches were by an actor, and not our hero himself. The British at least had the decency to unceremoniously sack him at the end of the war. To ignorant authors such as your book reviewever, Gandhi would have said ” Go in peace, my son”.
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1 day ago
PIYUSH DHANUKA replied:
You are forgetting that many great civilizations had great leaders as well: Washington, Franklin, Jefferson, Lincoln to name a few. Why stoop down to dictator. Expect more from your leaders.
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1 day ago
Ian Kris wrote:
I don’t know why a British historian born in 1963 would be invited to write a review about a book on M.K. Gandhi. He has brought the same lens he has used to study the eccentric characters of British history. His vision is blurred, and Gandhi will be the first one to laugh it off and forgive him. India is still one of the few places on earth that will mourn the victims and pray for the terrorists who inflict pain and suffering. In India, to be civilized or cultured means showing restraint.
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1 day ago
PIYUSH DHANUKA replied:
That is why India had to suffer slavery for almost 1000 years
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1 day ago
Ian Kris replied:
India has a long rich tradition of argumentative and logical reasoning, and it has survived despite the invasion of foreign powers. India’s hospitality and wealth have long attracted foreigners — why else would foreign powers come? This book reviewer shows contempt for India, not just for the putative father of the nation — his yardstick is the per capita income and how much higher it could have been. If the per capita is $1.25, then why do the so called economically advanced countries want to do business there?
India has changed the minds and hearts of all visitors from the Mughal invaders to the colonial powers to the hippies. Indian society is more open and welcoming than any other place on this earth. It is India, its ethos and culture, that frees outsiders suffering from the mental trap of all kinds of problems large and small. Let us salute the country that has shown the world what freedom and open society truly mean.
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1 day ago
Mike O’Malley replied:
I disagree with you Mr. Ian Kris. Critique of a founding father is not the same as showing contempt for a nation. One may for instance be critical of Thomas Jefferson’s sexual misuse of the Sally Hemings, Jefferson’s racism, Jefferson’s support of radical political violence in France and elsewhere and Jefferson’s dirty backroom politics hidden behind noble rhetoric and still be a patriotic American.
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1 day ago
PIYUSH DHANUKA wrote:
Moderator, please reinstate all my previous comments. Let us not muffle the free speech.
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Jeevan Anand replied:
As far as I am concerned, you are committing blasphemy and the moderator should ban you from this community. Gandhi ji is God to millions of people. How dare you attack him. It is no less than attacking Lord Krishna, Lord Rama or Virgin Marry. Shame on you.
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PIYUSH DHANUKA replied:
Real Funny!
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PIYUSH DHANUKA replied:
Pacfists a& Gandhians love to threaten anyone who criticizes them. Hypocrites!
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PIYUSH DHANUKA replied:
Wow! You really have no logic in any of your comments. I am yet to see a single intelligent comment from you. You are the classical example of hypocrisy- hating people while professing love. Introspection time, Jeevan!
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Nat Ramachandran replied:
PK – I am with you. None of your comments should be deleted.
I don’t think you wrote anything that’s inflamed me. I just wish you ignored the sexual weirdo business.
But your comments should not be deleted.
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PIYUSH DHANUKA replied:
I have no proof for any sexual weirdness or orientation, and do not care for that. Still, “allegation (or self admittance)” of sleeping naked with an UNDERAGE great-niece is bothersome enough to warrant further scrutiny. I would like to see any solid proof for or against that.
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VIVEK JAIN wrote:
The sad part in all of this is that the reason British left, in addition to Attlee, was that there was a group of Indians who were willing to take up arms against the British Army and it was somewhat difficult for British to control it given the overall non-violence sheen to the Indian freedom struggle by Gandhi. In that scenario, he was very useful. The problem is that we did not get independence. We got transfer of power. The army men, police, and bureaucracy that was supporting the British on August 13th was still in-charge on August 16th. This coupled with the fact that we were led by corrupt Nehru – Gandhi (Indira and family) clan after independence has caused the massive poverty. If India had adopted a free market economy and a better rule of law, perhaps by having Sardar Vallabhai Patel as the prime minister instead of Nehru, we might have a different India now. The fact that we have $1.4 trillion of Indian wealth in Swiss and Cayman Island accounts in the name of corrupt politicians, bureaucrats, and crony capitalists is a testament to our inability to gain true freedom on August 15, 1947.
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PIYUSH DHANUKA replied:
You are absolutely right. Sacrifices of patriots like Bhagat Singh, Azad, Bismillah Khan, Bose, Savarkar, Tilak, Lal-Bal-Pal have been systematically supreesed from Indian public psych by Gandhians.
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Mala Kumar replied:
We are kidding ourselves if we think that a few freedom fighters would have won us the freedom from THE empire…it would have only succeeded in inciting a much more brutal suppression by the British. It was the genius of Gandhi to recognize that freedom would come only with the broader support of the world community while taking a higher moral ground….”Generations to come, it may well be, will scarce believe that such a man as this one ever in flesh and blood walked upon this Earth”, Albert Einstein
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sujata verma wrote:
In an attempt to be provocative, the book reviewer exposes his immense ignorance about Indian history, people and culture.
Despite the title of the review, the question of ‘What makes a person a hero?’ is never explored.Fact is that Indians at that time revered him like a god and were willing to lay down their lives at his bidding.
The book reviewer may have a hero in his life, who may come up short in the eyes of others. This will be because others do not share the same beliefs and value systems.
So, go ahead and worship your heros, gods and leaders (or not), and don’t debase yourself by attacking other peoples faith in their heros.
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Deo Singh replied:
ms.verma – if the author is right, which is very likely, then we must conclude that gandhi’s followers were bamboozled, misled and lied to by that so called paragon of non violence, but for whom, ,my country woudl have attained freedom much sooner and perhaps avoided the catastrophe of partition. not to mention, our national character would have been different today.
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PIYUSH DHANUKA replied:
Britons knwe that Gandhi and his followers were their best weapon to keep in the Indian public in a trance. That is why Britush rulers never jailed Gandhi in brutal “Kala Pani” the way the jailed and torchered patriots like Savarker and others.
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Francis DeStefano wrote:
I wonder how many of Gandhi’s apologists would use the same arguments to defend a Roman Catholic priest accused of pedophilia?
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PIYUSH DHANUKA replied:
Most of the Gandhians (including the commentators on ths forum), do not deny the “alleged minor abuse” . They only defend him because they believe that he taught the world non-violence and got India’s freedom.
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Francis DeStefano replied:
It was not alleged, it was self-admitted. No one today would consider forcing one’s niece to strip and sleep with you as a “minor” offense. Even the accusation of such an offense today would cause a priest to be disgraced no matter what good he had done before.
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Nat Ramachandran replied:
Try St. Augustine’s Confessions. The Catholic Church has a checkered history when it comes to child abuse.
Even so, Francis, I find Gandhi admirable beyond his sexual weirdo business, as I do whenever I read St. Augustine’s Confessions.
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Robert Graves wrote:
Gandhi is revealed as having significant character flaws, yet no single flaw fully defines him. But, taken together, his flaws give us a complete picture of Ghandi, the person.
The whole is greater than the sum of its parts.
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Mike O’Malley replied:
Andrew Roberts demonstrates that Gandhi’s hagiographers consistently hide and downplay Gandhi’s flaws. As do Gandhi’s apologists. Indeed it shouldn’t take much effort to search and find that Andrew Roberts is currently being vilified in quarters around the web for the sin airing some of Gandhi’s dirty laundry. One must wonder, why do Gandhi’s admirers efface and excuse Gandhi’s flaws and then presume to instruct us that Gandhi is a great person, a sum greater than its parts. How may one confidently claim to have a complete picture of Gandhi in such an envioronment?
I have long been troubled by some of Gandhi’s statements to and about Jews during the time of the Third Reich. Where some find support for non-violence I find cold insensitivity and even cruel dismissive mockery of Jews during a time of frightful suffering. Albeit Gandhi packaged his apparent malice in rhetoric of non-violent resistance. Who is right? Could Gandhi be cruel? Did cruelty inform Gandhi’s character? Might Gandhi have been inconsistent enough in his practice of non-violence resistance to accede to Islamic violence in Palestine against Jews fleeing the Nazis horror? We will never know unless brave souls challenge Gandhi’s hagiographers.
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PIYUSH DHANUKA replied:
Indians being deeply religious are very prone to worship anyone who claims to be a man of God. Gandhi used religion extensively to acheive that. Gandhians give him the twin status of being a spiritual saint and politicalleadre at the same time. Result was a confused Indian struggle against slavery. This is propoagated by “scholar elites” who have a “feel-good” philosophy of liberal idealism (ie- escape from reality); and look down upon anything with common sense (liked armed freedom struggle).
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Vinod Dawda wrote:
Gandhi looked at his life as an experiment with truth and non violence. In the process he allowed complete transparency as it was fairly central to it. One has to look at India at the time where an ordinary Indian had little dignity and less wealth and perhaps no identity except humiliating caste system to give some meaning. The better off Indians were busy aping the colonial masters whom they worshiped. Gandhi changed all that and set Indians on course of recovery and dignified identity releasing them from centuries of status quo.This process had to be based on its own heritage to be viable.Unbridled capitalism and relentless exploitation by a few with total disregard to its consequences became positive savage and ugly.Gandhi was able to question this and inspire many to look inwards. The idea that India could have achieved independence earlier is hollow as it would have been some 200 countries steeped into relentless internecine fights. Gandhi never promoted or supported religious or class based divisions while respecting individual identity.He had seen the viciousness and degradation of the colonial and princely shackles. Gandhi transformed the Brown Sahibs of the Congress to Indians and gave them some spine. Reading Gandhi with some humility and an open mind is an enriching experience. Read him with a extreme capitalist mindset and you get a guilt trip or end up seeking comfort from this article.
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PIYUSH DHANUKA replied:
His personal experiments are acceptable as long as they were legal (not child-abuse). He expected the whole country to follow him. Of course, Gandhians will say that he forced no one, but he must have known that his word was a God’s word for India’s poor uneducated masses. He was very good at maipulating them.
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21 hours ago
Neil Bandari replied:
Every great leader is a master manipulator. Leadership by definition is manipulation (hopefully benign, otherwise you end up a Hitler).
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2 days ago
Lawrence Brown wrote:
Glenn Beck should read this review and find a new “hero.” Gandhi makes Woodrow Wilson look great by comparison. Andrew Roberts should do an iconoclastic article on “Junior” next, another one of Beck’s secular saints with feet of clay.
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Nikol Jakobson wrote:
We in USA should be very thankful to Gandhi: he is largely responsible to sending Indian economic development on Socialist path – giving USA unprecedented opportunity to dominate the world economy.
Thank to Gandhi American girls not doing data entry for big Indian corporations – it is another way around.
Mao – another grate name, comes to mind.
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Jeevan Anand replied:
Nikol, your ignorance is a bliss for you.
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Jane Levine wrote:
Even for a News Corp paper, the Wall Street Journal has stooped to a new low in having Andrew Roberts review a book about Gandhi. Roberts is a self-confessed right wing reactionary and a white supremacist. He is hardly the sort of person who would write an objective and thoughtful review of a work of this sort. That is clearly obvious from the tenor of his review.
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ANAY AGGARWAL wrote:
It was really sad to see such an article in reputed newspapers like WSJ. I am shocked to see that the whole article has been written like a gossip column without proper reference to the different stories that have been cited in the article. For example, many things quoted in the article are already part of Gandhi’s autobiography ‘My experiments with truth’. However, when you read the context behind it, you only have deep respect for the boldness and courage shown by Gandhi and openly telling to the world. I would bet any amount of money to tell me name of 1 more person in this world who claimed so boldly about his experiments and WHY HE DID THEM? The author completely misses the point. The funny thing is that the reviewer didn’t even spend time to talk about context behind those stories. Really shameful on WSJ to publish such articles without properly checking for everything..
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Mark Edwords wrote:
Holy cow! A subject has dawned to the age when theories and sources can no longer be accurately investigated. Suddenly, a book comes out boldly but speciously validating every disgruntled group’s pet claims and “parallel universe predictions”. OMG Wall Street Journal needs to promote this! This is such an original concept! This has so much intellectual merit!
hahahahahaha what a bunch of fox newsers have come over since Murdoch bought this (trying to add credibility to their AM radio-based rants). They see some validation in discovering that Gandhi had a sea of neurotransmitters in his human brain.
Anyone who takes this book seriously will also enjoy 9/11 truther conspiracy books. Perfect reading for the tin tub outside your trailer.
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Rajagopal Ravichandran wrote:
This book and the review are about utter sensationalism.Gandhi motivated a lot of great souls in his life and I believe he does today. I don’t mean the ‘great souls’ as the reviewer or the author would. They cannot understand the Gandhian ideal.
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Romesh Chander replied:
Sidd:
I agree. All the other discussion is nothing but academic trivia; and academics love to discuss trivia to death, just to show that they are intellectuals. Who cares Gandhi’s ideosyncracies; after all, everybody has his/her ideosyncracies. And Americans have their ideosyncracies too — they just talk about sex; I wonder if they have any sex; if they had, they won’t be yakyaking about it..
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Jeevan Anand replied:
I totally agree. Not only that Mahatma Gandhi inspired others to adopt non violent means.
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PIYUSH DHANUKA wrote:
In response to Hugho Cunninghum; “I have long wondered if it was purely coincidence that Indira chose to marry someone with the surname “Gandhi”. Growing up immersed in politics, she would have been intelligent enough to foresee the political advantage, if the prospective groom was otherwise compatible.”
Feroz Gandhi was adopted by Gandhi and given the surname Gandhi. This was done as Nehru was opposed to Indira-Feroz marriage on the basis of religious difference. Nehru always had political aspirations for Indira, and Indira having a last name “Gandhi” was convenient.
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Hugo Cunningham replied:
Thanks for the leads.
I looked up “Feroze Gandhi” in Wikipedia, and find in the “discussion” section that it remains hotly disputed, whether Feroze was born with the surname “Gandhi” (possibly spelled diifferently), or picked it up on his mother’s side, or acquired it later.
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PIYUSH DHANUKA replied:
You are right, I do not have any proof on my hand, but the benefit Gandhi surname provided to Indira Gandhi and her successors is clear for anyone to see in India..
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Mala Kumar wrote:
*No one*, I repeat, *no one* need waste money on this book….I am surprised and dismayed that WSJ decided to print the book review, which is quite titillating itself. I shudder to think what the book itself contains. Gandhi was a human like everyone else. No where in the popular culture or Indian history are any of the “facts” about him mentioned. Wonder how much actual research was conducted by Mr Leyveld’s and how much was pure conjucture. Gandhi’s was steadfast in his ideals of non-violence, which many Indian saw as a weakness. He refused to succumb to religious divisions, which many saw as being overly accommodating towards muslims. Other than that, the “well research facts” in the book are totally baseless!! Please avoid at all costs…Shame on WSJ
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PIYUSH DHANUKA replied:
What happened to the “experimentation with truth”? You are telling people to not even read a book! Let them read and research and find out for themselves what is true and what is false.
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Mark Edwords replied:
That is not the application of experimentation with truth. You need to revisit the definition of this concept.
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Jeevan Anand replied:
Obviously you did not understand Mahatma Gandhi’s book or never cared to read it.
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Ivan Soto replied:
Who are you kidding? Gandhi’s “steadfast ideals of non-violence” killed Indians by the thousands! That, while he sat on his bottom urging more Indians to sacrifice themselves. He was a pervert. He was a fraud. He was a worthless human being. He deserved what he got.
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PIYUSH DHANUKA wrote:
Why do some civilizations become great, and some don’t? Let us scientifically examine 2 opposite case studies for comparison: US & India.
Founding fathers in US wanted total freedom (“liberty or death”). Gandhi & Gandhians wanted semi-autonomous state (until 1920s when other revolutionaries insisted on total freedom)
US had an armed struggle against UK. India did not.
US wanted an undivided nation ocean to ocean. Gandhi & his followers accepted partition.
US constitution has one law for everyone. Indian constitution has personal civil code for every religion (to appease minorities).
Each state had equal right in US. In India, Kashmir still has a special status under article 370.
US economic system has been based on personal entrepreneurship. India system was based on Socialism (and still is)
US adopted modernization and newer technology. Gandhi & Gandhians went against it (Charkha & Cotton)
US undertook massive militarization . Gandhi-Nehru were against that.
Outcome is obvious!
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Hugo Cunningham replied:
>Founding fathers in US wanted total freedom (“liberty or death”). Gandhi & Gandhians wanted semi-autonomous state (until 1920s when other revolutionaries insisted on total freedom)
I believe what Gandhi had in mind was “dominion status,” — de facto independence and equality like that enjoyed by Canada and Australia. Gandhi should not be blamed for the pig-headedness of British colonialists, who did not embrace such an idea until after a generation of bitterness and partition.
>Each state had equal right in US. In India, Kashmir still has a special status under article 370.
Look up “Puerto Rico” in Wikipedia. It has a distinct ethnicity and status, somewhat like Kashmir, though it is not claimed by a neighbor.
>US undertook massive militarization . Gandhi-Nehru were against that.
Are you talking about the first 60 years of US history?
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John Shniper replied:
India a model of pacifism in its political and and military policies from independence to the present day? Fact backed reality or myth? Consider a mass destitute nation establishing and maintaining multimillion manned armies and other security forces and repeated wars that have been India’s fate from before independence was ever declared. What principles of non-violence and pacifist martyrdom were applied by the Gandhi guided elite in Kashmir, Hyderabad, ethnic cleansing campaigns in East Bengal, Punjab , Rajasthan, the Border War with China, or the massive military intervention to create Bangladesh? None of this suggests a militant pacifist tone to India’s internal of external policies. Add slavish support of Soviet totalitarianism and imperialism and the ludicrously provocative, unnecessary and cynically dishonest “peaceful” nuclear tests in 1973 and I submit the gravamen of your comments are very much at odds with reality as opposed to propaganda.
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John Shniper replied:
Correction: I should have stated “West Bengal”. I did not mean to imply that the ethnic riots on Indian territory in 1947 reflected official policy or could fairly be called pogroms. These gruesome
events were the political and moral responsibility of the new Indian State and more effort was directed towards territorial acquisition opportunities in Kashmir and Hyderabad than protecting Muslim minorities from organized violence in the disputed or divided territories.
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Harry Lewis wrote:
It’s about time for a revisionist history of Gandhi. There’s no mention of his distinguished service in the British Army, either.
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Romesh Chander replied:
Harry:
There is nothing revisionist about his service to British military. All is well known, but is considered not much of importance to merit extensive mention.
In 1918, Gandhi himself set up desks to recruit Indians to fight for British in WW1, for which British gave him the highest honours. Unfortunately (or fortunately), WW1 ended soon, and hence Gandhi’s effort did not really provide many recruit; by the time they were ready to go, war ended.
Gandhi offered his services for the Boer War (1900-1902, when he did not even think of freedom). His offer was rejected because it was considered a White man’s war, between white people (English and Dutch), and was to be fought by white men. So, he offered ambulance services for picking up the wounded and dead, which British accepted.
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Kiranpal Sohi wrote:
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Wayne Schroeder wrote:
The difference between this review by Roberts and the review in the New York Times by Ward (March 24) is telling. Ward has reflected the true engagement of the author Lelyveld with the historical Gandhi and reported what Lelyveld’s intent was in writing the biography. Roberts clearly has a different intent/agenda with his reporting of Lelyveld’s biography–which is to point out the idiosyncracies of Gandhi as the main story and to leave out the purpose and core of Lelyveld’s work. It is a free country, but for a reporter to abuse a “review” to denigrate the subject in a way never intended by the author is unprofessional, unethical, and in very poor taste. Very sad. Context is foundational in the written word and in history alike. Mr. Roberts, at least have the chutzpah to tell us what you are doing.
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Hugo Cunningham replied:
>Mr. Roberts, at least have the chutzpah to tell us what you are doing.
You picked the wrong “c” word out of your dictionary. “Chutzpah” means “effrontery”– shamelessly asking for something you do not deserve– “gall,” or “hypocrisy.”
Maybe you had in mind “honesty,” “courage,” or, for ethnic flavor, “cojones.”
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Nat Ramachandran replied:
Bingo Wayne! You echoed my thoughts verbatim.
I read the review in The Times and have made up my mind to buy the book.
I read this review and had to rationalize why Andrew Roberts might want to write this gibberish.
Well articulated.
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PIYUSH DHANUKA wrote:
Here is the natural truth;
Non-violence does not win anyone freedom. It is the violent opposition, or at least the clear capability and threat of violence, that forces any tyrant to quit. Rulers prefer to talk with the non-violent people and hand over the power to them. This makes it look like that non-violence won the day.
Love and forgiveness are not enough to protect a nation. Love is a good thing in a small group of people but this can not be extrapolated to large masses.
This paradox is responsible for the failure of Utopian ideas like non-violence and socialism in a big society.
The lack of this understanding, delays freedom and breeds more violence later. In socialism’s case, this causes more inequality eventually.
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PIYUSH DHANUKA replied:
Vow! There goes your pacfism. You only prove what many believe, that most of the pacifists are actually hypocrites
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Jitesh Ramanathu replied:
There are so many violent movements that have failed, and so many non-violent movements that have succeeded. It is possible to love humanity, just like the way you love yourselves. Don’t try to force your opinion on others, as it is some kind of wisdom of life.
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PIYUSH DHANUKA replied:
I am just commenting, not forcing my opinion. I do not have that power. Gandhi did force his opinion on India (by threats of fast unto death or by misusing his countrymen’s blind faith in him)
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Vikas Mehrotra wrote:
Check out Roberts record as a Tory historian, in particular his speech at the Springbok Club. Gotta give him credit for being unaware of the club’s racist leanings. Roberts is also on record defending the Amritsar massacre under British Rule on the grounds that it prevented further revolts, presumably because it taught a strong lesson to mutinous wannabes. Any surprise then that his views on Gandhi are what they are?
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PIYUSH DHANUKA replied:
No doubts that Roberts may be biased but he is not important. Indians need to question their own beliefs.
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Harsh Agarwala replied:
Introspection is a way of life for Hindus. Here is an excerpt on Hinduism from a source you have quoted earlier:
The ultimate goal of life, referred to as moksha, nirvana or samadhi, is understood in several different ways: as the realization of one’s union with God; as the realization of one’s eternal relationship with God; realization of the unity of all existence; perfect unselfishness and knowledge of the Self; as the attainment of perfect mental peace; and as detachment from worldly desires. Such realization liberates one from samsara and ends the cycle of rebirth.[92][93] Due to belief in the indestructibility of the soul,[94] death is deemed insignificant with respect to the cosmic self.[95] Thence, a person who has no desire or ambition left and no responsibilities remaining in life or one affected by a terminal disease may embrace death by Prayopavesa.[96]
There can be no realization without introspection and questioning. Gandhi might not have been perfect but he was definitely a better human being compared to a lot of his peers.
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21 hours ago
Neil Bandari replied:
Jeevan, you do not speak for other Indians with this attitude. Dhanuka is expressing his views, and he is well entitled to do so.
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Romesh Chander replied:
Vikas:
Probably Mr Andrew Roberts defends Tiannamen Square massacre by China? No further important uprisings of people in China. Probably, he should defend killings by Qaddaffi to prevent further bloodshed in Libya. Same situation in Mexico in 1960′s (massacre of students by Mexican military) and British killings of Irish in Northern Ireland in 1970′s.
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PIYUSH DHANUKA wrote:
Gandhi may be good or bad in several ways and I don’t care much about that. But insisting that we overlook his faults because he gave us independence is the problem.
Every Indian is fed a steady diet of Gandhi worship since early childhood. India’s history books, school curriculum, TV, movies are full of that. This was specially true before the emergence of internet and cable TVs. Any political criticism of Gandhi (and Nehru family) was suppressed by the propaganda machine. Nehru’s book would only give you a biased opinion of Gandhi.
Gandhi did contribute to India’s freedom but Indians have been taught to neglect the contribution of every other person or force. Indians’ religion teaches them to worship blindly. Because of this propaganda that Gandhi gave them independence, they have been happy to worship Gandhi as Demi-God. That is the real problem
Couple of examnples of how Gandhi did not care about India’s freedom and failed India:
1. Until 1920s, Gandhi wanted only a semi-autonomous state for India. He changed only after other revolutionaries insisted on total freedom.
2. He stopped agitation several times between 1920s and 1947
3. He did nothing to support any revolutionaries like Bhagat Singh.
4. He forced Bose out of Congress leadership
5. He allowed India’s partition. WHY DID HE NOT START A FAST TO PREVENT PARTITION?
For him, his own philosophy and his own image was more important than India. That is the truth which has been suppressed
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It is time to wake up and question your own beliefs.
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2 days ago
Charles Kasakophski replied:
You’re pathetic. If you were a citizen of the United States you would be whining and complaining about Lincoln and Washington. If you were English you would be lying about Churchill or even William the Conqueror. A person like you would be a burden and dishonorable disgrace in any nationality or culture.
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PIYUSH DHANUKA replied:
Personal attacks and complete loss of direction or logic in your comments!
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Jeevan Anand replied:
You are too shallow of a man to deal with.
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PIYUSH DHANUKA replied:
Personal attacks and complete loss of direction or logic in your comments!
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13 hours ago
Nat Ramachandran replied:
PK – You raise valid points for which we can hold a decent discussion.
I am hardly interested in personal failings of an individual whether they self gratified themselves or if they slept with nude concubines (as St. Augustine did) to test their erective capabilities.
I am glad you moved away from quoting Wikipedia on Gandhi’s sexual proclivities.
Let’s see how we can answer the issues you raised:
“1. Until 1920s, Gandhi wanted only a semi-autonomous state for India. He changed only after other revolutionaries insisted on total freedom.”
A valid complaint. You should know that the Indian National Congress was divided between the moderates led by Gokhale and the extremists led by Tilak. Gandhi was mentored by Gokhale and he prob. felt that “Poorna Swaraj” was too much at that point to ask from the Colonial powers. That in no way diminishes the man’s standing.
“2. He stopped agitation several times between 1920s and 1947″
I don’t know if each and every tactical decision he (and the party made) can be held up to scrutiny. In any event, its like picking every moment when the stock of IBM dipped to show that IBM is a bad company.
“3. He did nothing to support any revolutionaries like Bhagat Singh.”
Yes, because he had an aversion to the revolutionary methods of Bhagat Singh. He made it clear that his mode of action was non-violence. Bhagat Singh was definitely a solid patriot but you can fault Gandhi if thought Bhagat Singh was too much of a revolutionary for his taste and leanings. Again, too small a data point to judge a man of Gandhi’s stature.
“4. He forced Bose out of Congress leadership”
That’s a complicated story. Bose, again, had pretty extreme ideas about how to achieve freedom. You should remember Gandhi put the force of the entire barrister/lawyer team from Congress to defend the final case of sedition brought against Bose and his INA by the English. Again, even if Gandhi forced Bose out of the leadership of Congress, its not enough to cast aspersion against the entire legacy of Gandhi.
“5. He allowed India’s partition. WHY DID HE NOT START A FAST TO PREVENT PARTITION?”
India’s partition is too complex an idea. Gandhi was the last person to approve of partition; again only because he realized the insistence of the Muslim League had become too much and the violence was flaring too much. Incidentally, there were a couple of instances where he fasted to force the stoppage of Hindu-Muslim riots. In my judgment he did all that he could.
Lastly, you can’t pick on minute instances to downplay Gandhi. The man was beyond many things. He wasn’t a God or a Supra Soul. He was definitely beyond many of us.
An for this unwashed Tory hack (Andrew Roberts) to malign him is probably because his motherland lost to Sri Lanka in cricket recently and he is probably in need of money. So he wrote a gossipy column.
That’s it.
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PIYUSH DHANUKA replied:
My reply:
1. You have already conceded this point. Just to add: Before 1920s, people like Saverkar, Lal-Bal-Pal and many others were clear about complete freedom. Savarkar said : Freedom is my birth-right.”
2. One episode can be called a mistake but pattern emerges that he held his own philosophy more important than the country. Any corporation’s CEO will be sacked for a single decision like that.
3. Again the pattern is that he held his own beliefs to be important than the country;s interest, especially when it was clear that the country followed him blindly.
4. This prove that he forced people to against their democratic rights as Bose was duly elected the president of Congress.
5. This is what kills me. Some leaders and majority of the people never approved partition. So he could not be the last one. To clarify, he never held any fast against the partition itself. He held a fast against Hindus’ killing Muslims (in India) , but broke the fast before riots in Pakistan stopped. Masses trusted his promise that he will never let partition happen. He had the power to hold fast to PREVENT partition, masses would have followed him. That may or may not have succeed, but he failed to do what he promised and professed – ” Satyagrah (Pleading for truth). Jesus could not prevent Roman brutality and violence, but he never flinched from his principles and died for them.
The last point is certainly not the instance. This is was the worst nightmare of modern Indian subcontinent, causing genocide, constant wars, and terrorism. Gandhi may be great philosopher with his good and bad, but why is is he above questioning? I do not have any interest in criticizing a dead man, except for the fact India’s present & future are still under its shadow.
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3 days ago
Al Diallo wrote:
I do not want to admit this but I have a lot in common with Ghandi. There were times in my life when I hated a lot of stuff about this world and what’s in it. Later, I discovered that other people felt the same way about their family members, their neighbors and other countries.
The only thing that completely separates me from Ghandi–if this is true–is his unusual series of erection, his craving for a man, and his aversion to natural sex.
Al Diallo
Philadelphia
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3 days ago
Nat Ramachandran replied:
Perhaps you can spell his name correctly to begin with.
” … but I have a lot in common with Ghandi”
Then how about heading to Libya or Syria or Bahrain and help those people be liberated from the shackles of their masters?
Talk is cheap.
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Prasoon Joshi wrote:
This might come across as shocking. I think the problem is that we, as humans, do not like to think that another human is capable of much so we give the demi-God status to all achievers! And since Gods do not fail we expect too much!
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14 hours ago
Daniela Arno replied:
The Brits should have allowed Japan to conquer India. The only reason Japan did not do so is because the Brits put the nut job Gandhi in jail and got on with fighting the Japanese.
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13 hours ago
Nat Ramachandran replied:
Quite a lugubrious story, you have there.
The Brits wouldn’t have allowed Japan to conquer India because there was too much for the Brits at stake in India. Not for nothing the Brits called India the “Jewel in the Crown”.
“The only reason Japan did not do so is because the Brits put the nut job Gandhi in jail and got on with fighting the Japanese.”
Putting Gandhi in jail had nothing to do with the English’s capabilities to fight. In any event, the Japanese were defeated elsewhere and had to stop the plans to enter into India.
Better reasoning next time.
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3 days ago
PIYUSH DHANUKA wrote:
?True or False? From Wikipedia:
“As part of these experiments, he initially slept with his women associates in the same room but at a distance. Afterwards he started to lie in the same bed with his women disciples and later took to sleeping naked alongside them.[83] According to Gandhi active-celibacy meant perfect self-control in the presence of the opposite sex. Gandhi conducted his experiments with a number of women such as Abha, the sixteen-year-old wife of his grandnephew Kanu Gandhi. Gandhi acknowledged “that this experiment is very dangerous indeed”, but thought “that it was capable of yielding great results”.[85] His nineteen-year-old grandniece, Manu Gandhi, too was part of his experiments. Gandhi had earlier written to her father, Jaisukhlal Gandhi, that Manu had started to share his bed so that he may “correct her sleeping posture”.[85] Gandhi saw himself as a mother to these women and would refer to Abha and Manu as “my walking sticks”
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3 days ago
Nat Ramachandran replied:
So? OK. Gandhi was a sexual weirdo. So?
PK Dhanuka – You are again back to the tabloid gossip that shows a very shallow understanding of a man who transformed Indians’ thinking.
He was not a saint but he didn’t claim to be one either. He was confident, arrogant (at times) and stubborn. But all of those qualities in him helped to force a change in the English attitudes towards India, as well as Indian’s attitude towards fellow Indians (in aspects such as seeking religious unity, attempts towards eradicating untouchability etc.)
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2 days ago
PIYUSH DHANUKA replied:
Gandhi may be good or bad in several ways and I don’t care much about that. But insisting that we overlook his faults because he gave us independence is the problem.
Every Indian is fed a steady diet of Gandhi worship since early childhood. India’s history books, school curriculum, TV, movies are full of that. This was specially true before the emergence of internet and cable TVs. Any political criticism of Gandhi (and Nehru family) was suppressed by the propaganda machine. Nehru’s book would only give you a biased opinion of Gandhi.
Gandhi did contribute to India’s freedom but Indians have been taught to neglect the contribution of every other person or force. Indians’ religion teaches them to worship blindly. Because of this propaganda that Gandhi gave them independence, they have been happy to worship Gandhi as Demi-God. That is the real problem
Couple of examnples of how Gandhi did not care about India’s freedom and failed India:
1. Until 1920s, Gandhi wanted only a semi-autonomous state for India. He changed only after other revolutionaries insisted on total freedom.
2. He stopped agitation several times between 1920s and 1947
3. He did nothing to support any revolutionaries like Bhagat Singh.
4. He forced Bose out of Congress leadership
5. He allowed India’s partition. WHY DID HE NOT START A FAST TO PREVENT PARTITION?
For him, his own philosophy and his own image was more important than India. That is the truth which has been suppressed
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It is time to wake up and question your own beliefs.
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2 days ago
Hugo Cunningham replied:
46 minutes ago..P.K. DHANUKA replied:
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>Couple of examnples of how Gandhi did not care about India’s freedom and failed India:
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>4. He forced Bose out of Congress leadership
Gandhi showed good judgement of character there. You may recall Bose favorably as an ally of Japan in 1943-1945, but his first choice was working for Hitler (1940-1943). It is impossible to imagine a democratic India emerging from Hitler’s sponsorship.
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14 hours ago
Daniela Arno replied:
Sounds like Gandhi was a shrewish old maid.
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2 days ago
Howard Sontz replied:
The early Christian theologian, St Augustine, did the same thing almost two millennia before Gandhi. Augustine recounts in, I believe, his ‘City of God’, how, to prove that he had conquered the needs of the flesh, he used to lie in bed naked during the hot summer nights in his villa on the shores of the Mediterranean with his (former) concubine. It seems a hard-wired human concept that if we deny our sexuality, somehow our gods will love us more for it.
He didn’t see fit to give up his opulent villa, however. Silly humans!
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2 days ago
Laura Kessler replied:
“somehow our gods will love us more for it”
More accurate is “somehow we will love God more”
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2 days ago
JOSEPH NEMURI replied:
Gandhi – I love Christ but not a Christian . Is it true for some reason? is it same thinking prevails still by some westerners?
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Daniela Arno replied:
Clearly St. Augustine was gay.
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2 days ago
JOSEPH NEMURI replied:
The best thing Gandhi did was he ousted Bose … I think he should have kicked him out of country too. Swastik attitude (Aryan creed) thought to be the main reason – Bose thought he would align with Hitler. If Japan invaded India, it would have been chaos.
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1 day ago
PIYUSH DHANUKA replied:
Bose was arue patriot who’s single-minded goal was India’s freedom (unlike Gandhi). He never supported Hitler or Japan’s genocide. He built Indian National Army wth whatever means he could, especially when Gandhi & Gandhians opposed that.
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1 day ago
Jitesh Ramanathu replied:
Dhanuka,
You missed important points in the whole article. The very reason why Gandhiji was criticized during the world war was because, he decided to revolt against the British at such a crucial hour. He was somewhere in between Bose (totally aligning with the Japanese), and Jinnah (who was totally with the British). The author is clearly with Jinnah on this issue. Whose side are you?
Gandhiji was politically correct because he neither chose to side with the Japanese, who had just as much imperialistic ambitions as the British, and he revolted against the British, when he felt that they were moving away from the promise of granting Indian freedom. It was perfectly in the interest of the Indians.
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2 days ago
Jeevan Anand replied:
You must be the the contributor to Wikipedia. looks like you grew up hating Gandhi ji.
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1 day ago
PIYUSH DHANUKA replied:
No, I am not the contributor to wikipedia; and I do no hate Gandhi. I just don’t think of hiim what he is been made out to be- a dmi-God. You can’t argue effectively and therefore must use personal attacks on me when you know nothing about me personally. Why can’t people handle any one questioning their demi-God?
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21 hours ago
Neil Bandari replied:
I certainly don’t think of Gandhi as a “demi-God”. But he was a great leader who accomplished amazing things for all of us. I doubt any of the people on here who defend Gandhi, do so because they view him as a demi-God. They do so out of a sense of obligation towards a dead man who cannot defend himself, and out of a sense of respect and awe and gratitude for what that man accomplished for them and their families.
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21 hours ago
Neil Bandari replied:
Dhanuka, unless your greatgranddaddy was Gandhi’s shrink, you have no clue, like me, about what Gandhi’s thinking on sexual matters truly was. So enough innuendos. I and many others believe Gandhi wanted absolute self-control and went to great extremes to search for it. Sure, its a bit creepy, and I wouldn’t do it, but I also am not the man who will bring down some great empire, or lead a seventh of the human race. Great people have their eccentricities, so be it.
By the way, only you know yourself the sickness of your own mind – introspect about your own fantasies and impluses for a second and see if you feel all clean and innocent enough to judge a dead man.
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20 hours ago
PIYUSH DHANUKA replied:
You wrote against Jeevan attcking me personally in a comment below, but here your are using a personal attck with no basis. My Grandfather was not his shrink but you seem to be my shrink.
I am just a coomon man who has no personal hatred towards Gandhi. He did have somethings to learn from. My only objection is to India worshipping him due to a beibg brainwashed into believing that he single-handedly won the freedom. As you can see, I am risking my personal reputation and safety on this forum (see multiple comments from Jeevan) hoping that people will question their own belief systems that have they have been brainwashed into.
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19 hours ago
Jeevan Anand replied:
Neil, Thanks. I totally agree that not everybody thinks of Mahatma Gandhi as a demi-God. I don’t feel you are attacking me. In fact we are on the same wave length. People like Gandhi Ji come in this world on rare occasions and transform the world into thinking a new way. Then there are those who act like they know everything and do nothing but criticize these great souls. Their goal appears to be to impress others with information, without ever realizing what is the impact of that information.
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3 days ago
PIYUSH DHANUKA wrote:
I know that Gandi’s children don’t rule India. Gandhi’s chose Nehru as his successor whose family still rules iNdia in Gandhis’ name.
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3 days ago
Nat Ramachandran replied:
So you are stating that Gandhi should have known (when he chose Nehru) that Nehru’s family would continue to occupy the ruling position in the post-Independence India? Answer: Gandhi was not a good enough visionary to guess who precisely will rule India, though he was a visionary to the extent that he wanted Indians to rule themselves.
Or, are you stating that Gandhi should have sought a written commitment from Nehru that none of his heirs and successors would rule India for a long time to come?
Indira Gandhi, Rajiv Gandhi and Sonia Gandhi are not ruling India in the name of Gandhi. Those names were the result of Indira Gandhi marrying a Parsi (Feroze Gandhi) whose last name was Gandhi. Neither Feroze nor Indira have any family relationship to Mohandas Gandhi. All of them claim the mantle of the Nehru family.
That their last names have a Gandhi has given rise to the misconception you stated: “family still rules iNdia in Gandhis’ name.”
I know of some people with last name as Reagan. I don’t think that they rule the US just because a man with a similar last name (Ronald Reagan) was once the president of the US.
Broaden thy argument and make it more substantive, not about names and nomenclature.
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2 days ago
PIYUSH DHANUKA replied:
Open your eyes Nat.
In 1937, Bose was elected Congress president. Gandhi had him forced out in favor of Nehru.
If he wanted, he could have insisted on stopping Partition , but did not as he went along with Nehru’s plan of ruling the country.
Nehru and his family established themselves as the torch-bearer of that name. Gandhi name and Gandhi worship has won them elections since independence. Poor Indian masses and intellectual socialist elites just love that name and philosophy
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2 days ago
Hugo Cunningham replied:
>Indira Gandhi, Rajiv Gandhi and Sonia Gandhi are not ruling India in the name of Gandhi. Those names were the result of Indira Gandhi marrying a Parsi (Feroze Gandhi) whose last name was Gandhi.
I have long wondered if it was purely coincidence that Indira chose to marry someone with the surname “Gandhi”. Growing up immersed in politics, she would have been intelligent enough to foresee the political advantage, if the prospective groom was otherwise compatible.
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3 days ago
PIYUSH DHANUKA wrote:
Nat, you are getting personal now. So much for your pacifism that you are blaming me to have something in it. This is a classical example of self-acclaimed morally superior people trying to assassinate others’ characters. As I said in my previous posts, I have no problems with Gandhi’s personal demons (as long as it did not include child abuse). My problem is with his selling out India’s future for his own ego and his cronies’ greed.
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3 days ago
Nat Ramachandran replied:
I have nothing personal in favor of your or against you. I am contesting your opinions and your reasoning.
It is true that this nostalgic Tory, Andrew Roberts, gets paid to write stuff that seeks a wider audience through salacious and gossipy shortcomings of an otherwise stellar individual.
“This is a classical example of self-acclaimed morally superior people trying to assassinate others’ characters.”
No, I neither consider myself to be morally superior or inferior; nor do I claim Gandhi was morally superior. He was practically and pragmatically superior.
If you really want to know what Gandhi’s coming did to India, you should read “Coming of Gandhi”, a chapter in Jawaharlal Nehru’s “Discovery of India”. I read it in my grade school and I know how Gandhi, the ultra alpha male, led an otherwise drowsy pack of Indians to rise up and how he packed courage into an otherwise docile population.
This washed out Tory is attempting to rewrite Gandhi by focusing on his sexual weirdness and inconsistencies. Gandhi precisely wanted to demonstrate–through his transparent acts and his concomitant failures–that he was a normal human and that his elevation (primarily by the Occidental world) into a “Mahatma” was stupid at best.
Remember, every saint has a past and every sinner has a future but this pathetic Tory should start writing for one of those gossipy tabloids that’s the hallmark of his homeland Britain.
Andrew Roberts should quit pretending to be a historian or even a half decent book reviewer.
He ain’t neither.
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21 hours ago
Neil Bandari replied:
yea yea
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3 days ago
Nat Ramachandran wrote:
Such half-baked reviews and revisionist history are good navel gazing attempts to generate some buzz for the book. But that’s par for the course (I suspect the reviewer has a family to feed and needs to generate money).
Orwell gave a clean chit to this man. To me that’s all what matters.
Saint or not, Great Soul or normal soul, Gandhi was an ultimate alpha male who delivered for India. Megalomaniac or otherwise, I don’t give a rat’s patoot to his idiosyncrasies or his inconsistencies.
He could have been gay. So what? He lied naked with women. So what? He fought the Brits even as the Japanese were at the doors. So what? He tortured his own self and that of others. So what?
To think he must be compared to the slave-holding George (Washington) and inveighed is infantile.
Get over the man. Get his message (if you can). End of story. Class dismissed.
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PIYUSH DHANUKA replied:
Correction: Article says he lied naked with his niece. Wikipedia also says that he lied naked with minor girls so as to have natural heat and to experiment with Brahmacharya (celibacy). I don’t know the truth for sure, but certainly can’t understand Indians condoning it. This hypocrisy is exactly what author is criticizing.
Gandhi getting India’s freedom has been the opium for Indian masses. Time to wake up!
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3 days ago
Nat Ramachandran replied:
Which Indian condoned the purported hypocrisy that you are talking about?
The guy who reviewed the book is a member of the “International Board of Weights and Measures” – now that’s some qualification to write about Gandhi.
Andrew Roberts is a nasty Tory and is wallowing at the loss of his fat-man Churchillian enterprise. Those days are over for England and is now reduced to a puny dot whose cricket team was massively brown washed by the, quelle horror, Sri Lankans!
“Gandhi getting India’s freedom has been the opium for Indian masses.” Can you elaborate instead of giving me a bumper sticker statement?
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3 days ago
Nat Ramachandran replied:
“I don’t know the truth for sure, but certainly can’t understand Indians condoning it.”
That’s the kind of navel gazing that Andrew Roberts too is involved in.
Much like a mercenary, he gets paid to do such muckraking. What’s in it for you?
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3 days ago
PIYUSH DHANUKA replied:
You just condoned his behavior in your previous post but that is not the issue at all. I have no personal problem with anyone’s character as long as it is legal.
To elaborate my comment, you can see my previous comment above. To summarize how India got its freedom:
After WWII, weak and bankrupt UK was not in a position to hold on to its biggest colony when US became the biggest superpower, especially when USA did not colonize any country (not even japan and Germany). That is how most of previous colonies got their freedom sooner or later.
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3 days ago
Nat Ramachandran replied:
You are misrepresenting my position. I didn’t condone: I just didn’t (and still don’t) care about Gandhi’s sexual weirdness (i.e., him being a potential closet gay) or his inconsistent message (not treating South African blacks on par with immigrant Indians) or about the shortcomings of his primary motives (e.g. removal of untouchability).
That is a shallow understanding of Gandhi. That’s what makes this fellow’s review repugnant and quite infantile.
“After WWII, weak and bankrupt UK was not in a position to hold on to its biggest colony when US became the biggest superpower, especially when USA did not colonize any country (not even japan and Germany). That is how most of previous colonies got their freedom sooner or later.”
That is a gratuitous opinion of the English. They figured the jig (i.e., the moral, economic and political rationale for holding on to the future of millions of Indians through military force and moral pretense) was up and that’s why they had to leave, not because of lack of money in their pockets.
They didn’t need much money from the homeland to hold on to the Indian dominion: in-fact they were leeching from the dominion and forcing their homegrown textile industry’s outputs on to India.
English bankruptcy after WW-II might have accelerated their exit from India but was not the sole reason. The Indian independence movement led by Gandhi had a strongly consequential role in pushing the Colonizers into the grimy Thames river.
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21 hours ago
Neil Bandari replied:
Nat, you are awesome, love your posts mate
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3 days ago
Scott Morris wrote:
I must say that this may be the most bizarre “book review” I have ever seen. What’s clear is that Mr. Roberts had some serious personall issues with both Mr. Gahndi and homosexuality. I learned nothing about the book only that Mr. Roberts has a fascination with what others do with their rectums. What’s clear is that Mr. Roberts seeks to deny Ghandis role in the history of India and to reject nonviolence as a method of political change. Like many conservatives Mr. Roberts sees the world in polar terms. Either Gahndi was a sinner or a saint. He wants the reader to know that Gahndi was a sinner and therefore unworthy of praise or emulation. Unfortunately for Mr. Roberts and his ilk Gahndi’s legend will live on long after the dozen or so people who remember Mr. Roberts are long dead.
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3 days ago
Hugo Cunningham wrote:
Gandhi’s subsistence-level economics were unworkable, as was his pacifism, but he is responsible more than any other individual for India being democratic. India’s democracy is frustrating at times, prone to corruption and inefficiency, but dictatorship is also quite consistent with corruption (see Africa) and/or wasteful military adventurism (see the Middle East).
A chutzpah award is due the many foreigners who lectured India for failing to adhere to Gandhian pacifism, when their own countries were not pacifist either.
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3 days ago
Nat Ramachandran replied:
“Gandhi’s subsistence-level economics were unworkable, as was his pacifism, “
Right about the former and wrong about the latter. Pacifism worked in freeing India from the Colonists. And when it didn’t work – Chauri Chaura violence – Gandhi made it work.
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3 days ago
PIYUSH DHANUKA wrote:
One has to remember that Gokhle recruited Gandhi to lead Indian National Congress, an organization established by British people to work as a safety-valve. INC and Gandhi only wanted a limited autonomy under British rule until 1920s when other freedom fighters insisted on “Complete Freedom’.
Gandhi desired to be loved and worshiped, and was happy to don the mantle of “Mahatma (Great Soul”) in a religious country. JL Nehru (promoted by rich father, Motilal Nehru) was his high priest. Other politicians and elites of India benefited from this nexus; and propagated an industry around it. People were brainwashed using pre-existing Vaishnava principles of Ramraj, vegetarianism, and non-violence.
Gandhi never tried to save freedom-fighters like Bhagat Singh from being hanged. He personally made sure that a democratically elected Subhash Chandra Bose could not become Congress president and Nehru became the Congress president. British rulers loved this self-destructive streak of India; and ensured that every other potential political leader was killed, jailed in brutal Kala-Pani (unlike Congress leaders’ luxurious detention)), exiled or smeared.
In the post-WWII world, USA was the big brother and had no plans to militarily colonize any country (not even Germany or Japan). In such a system, it was impossible for the weakened England to hold on to their largest colony. This reality, combined with the revolution in Bombay, left British rulers no choice but to leave India. As their last act, they made sure that this great nation between Himalayas and Ocean stays splintered and weak under the rule of their cronies.
Gandhi had earlier declared that “partition will happen over my dead body” but feigned powerlessness at this critical juncture. He could have easily chosen to start a “Fast until Death” but he did not. He gets to be called the “Father of Nation” and every child is taught to virtually worship him until now.
This socio-political process led to a delayed Indian independence, splintering of Indian people in several pieces, a weak and corrupt post-independence country, and a virtual dynastic rule until this date. Gandhi’s personality problem or sexual deviancy is not important. The real problem is Gandhi’s socio-political philosophy that has dominated Indian subcontinent for last 100 years and continues to do so using his name leading to disastrous results.
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3 days ago
Neil Bandari replied:
This “weak and corrupt” country is, just 60 years later (America has been independent 200+ years) fast being viewed as a “great power” in progress. “Gandhi’s socio-political philosophy has dominated the Indian subcontinent”? O boy, you are truly clueless about modern Indian economics and politics. Gandhi’s ideas for India died with him. He is now just a picture on the wall invoked 1-2 times a year.
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PIYUSH DHANUKA replied:
Neil, you missed the point, Neil. Exploiting India’s respect for himself he made sure that only his few followers can rule India without caring for India’s true freedom and Indian people’s true benefit. This is the reason that Nehru-Gandhi dynasty still rules today.
You also contradict yourself about India’s progress. Economic progress of 1990s and 2000s has only happened after India got out of Gandhi-Nehru economic Model. Gandhi propagated a backward looking system rather than allowing adoption of newer technologies.
It is true that a billion people in a bountiful land have the potential to be great, but that requires security (external) and peace (internal). Security needs the capability and the readiness to use the force of violence. Peace requires unity. Gandhi’s non-violence crippled India’s resistance to British rule and any future external threat. His refusal to stand firm for united Indian subcontinent (by fasting or any mean necessary) led to partition’s violence and subsequent vicious cycle of hatred. That also led to constant wars and strife in the subcontinent.
Utopian ideas (like Non-violence) do not change the reality of Nature and a person”s insistence that the whole nation follows them, paradoxically leads to opposite effect of violence. We do not have to expect from Gandhi to have understood that paradox of nature, but certainly could expect from “Great Soul” to stand firm on his principles. Gandhi failed to that by not starting an Anshan (Fast Until Death) when India was being portioned. If he did that, he would have earned respect of his people for ever.
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Nat Ramachandran replied:
@ P. K. Dhanuka:
“Exploiting India’s respect for himself he made sure that only his few followers can rule India without caring for India’s true freedom and Indian people’s true benefit.”
In what sense did Gandhi not care for India’s true freedom and Indian people’s true benefit? Care to elaborate?
” This is the reason that Nehru-Gandhi dynasty still rules today.”
That’s a very appalling understanding of Gandhian legacy. Gandhi’s successors (e.g. Rajmohan Gandhi) are only remotely associated with ruling India, as they were members in the Parliament at one time or another.
To confuse Sonia Gandhi as Mohandas Gandhi’s heir is as Occidental as you can get.
Please get your facts lined up before attempting to be a contrarian.
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21 hours ago
Neil Bandari replied:
Dhanuka, when your opponent has factories that can spread unemployment among your masses, when your opponent has military firepower you can never hope to match, when your own people are divided and coming out of centuries of rule by foreigners, Gandhi’s swaraj, self-sufficiency, handicrafts, nonviolent resistance model is a stroke of genius. It’s the power of ideas overcoming your physical weaknesses.
You may like to think that Bhagat Singh with a pistol or two, and Netaji with his alliance with the losing side of WW2, or Rani Jhansi with her sword, or a Mangal Pandey could have gotten you your current, shiny Indian passport. But its a fantasy. Britain losing India started the breakup of the British Empire. Gandhi defeated the greatest empire in the history of the world with his intelligence and ideas. He was much much much more clever than any of us on here. His was a whole new political paradigm – nonviolent, civil disobedience to effect revolutions without revenge. It’s a higher order of thinking that small minds will not comprehend. He tried and succeeded in uniting Indians, thats why we don’t have 15 mini-India’s today. The whole US civil rights movement, the whole anti-apartheid movement, the current middle east events, are all based on Gandhi’s model. He accomplished in history what Andrew the Reviewer and his entire set of ancestors and descendants across thousands of years will never do. Oh, and throw in a bunch of ingrates like you also, and your entire past, present and future clans.
Frankly, the ungrateful fools like you owe their entire lifestyle to him, so be a little grateful for him taking a bullet to his chest on your behalf. And for suffering the insults of ingrate fools 60+ years after his death.
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17 hours ago
PIYUSH DHANUKA replied:
Neil (or Jeevan or anyone else);
I understand that, because of your respect for Gandhi, you may find my critique offensive even though they are mot meant to be. You can call me all the names you want but I will avoid any name-calling. Just trying answering few questions I have posed on this forum. You don’t have to convince me but just question it for yourself. Let’s start with one:
Why did Gandhi not act on his promise to India that “patition will happen over my dead body”?
Gandhians blame other politicians for partition. Gandhi could have easily started an Anshan (Greast Fast) to prevent partition, and masses would have follwed him. He did not do that, and masses suddenly woke up to the reality of partition. Result was a genocide of both Hindus & Muslims and a forever state of war. People trusted him, worshiped him; and he failed the people of Indian subcontinent at their most critical moment.
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3 days ago
PIYUSH DHANUKA wrote:
One has to remember that Gokhle recruited Gandhi to lead Indian National Congress, an organization established by British people to work as a safety-valve. INC and Gandhi only wanted a limited autonomy under British rule until 1920s when other freedom fighters insisted on “Complete Freedom’.
Gandhi desired to be loved and worshiped, and was happy to done the mantle of “Mahatma (Great Soul”) in a religious country. JL Nehru (promoted by rich father, Motilal Nehru) was his high priest. Other politicians and elites of India benefited from this nexus; and propagated an industry around it. People were brainwashed using pre-existing Vaishnava principles of Ramraj, vegetarianism, and non-violence.
Gandhi never tried to save freedom-fighters like Bhagat Singh from being hanged. He personally made sure that a democratically elected Subhash Chandra Bose could not become Congress president and Nehru became the Congress president. British rulers loved this self-destructive streak of India; and ensured that every other potential political leader was killed, jailed in brutal Kala-Pani (unlike Congress leaders’ luxurious detention)), exiled or smeared.
In the post-WWII world, USA was the big brother and had no plans to militarily colonize any country (not even Germany or Japan). In such a system, it was impossible for the weakened England to hold on to their largest colony. This reality, combined with the revolution in Bombay, left British rulers no choice but to leave India. As their last act, they made sure that this great nation between Himalayas and Ocean stays splintered and weak under the rule of their cronies.
Gandhi had earlier declared that “partition will happen over my dead body” but feigned powerlessness at this critical juncture. He could have easily chosen to start a “Fast until Death” but he did not. He gets to be called the “Father of Nation” and every child is taught to virtually worship him until now.
This socio-political process led to a delayed Indian independence, splintering of Indian people in several pieces, a weak and corrupt post-independence country, and a virtual dynastic rule until this date. Gandhi’s personality problem or sexual deviancy is not important. The real problem is Gandhi’s socio-political philosophy that has dominated Indian subcontinent for last 100 years and continues to do so using his name leading to disastrous results.
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Thomas Huynh wrote:
Wow, there’s always two sides to every story.
Thomas Huynh, founder
Sonshi
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Neil Bandari replied:
Yep, the wise one, and the “lets libel a dead man so we can sell more books and make some money” one
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Nat Ramachandran replied:
One can manufacture ten sides for a story if one wants.
Andrew Roberts gets paid to indulge in salacious gossip and muckraking. I understand – the man must have a family to feed.
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Dave Bondy wrote:
Gandhi made a terrible mistake by not insisting that if Mohamed Jinnah wanted to divide India, then Pakistan should have been the home for all Muslims who at that time lived in India. It’s only fair to demand that the concept of two states for two peoples means one state for Muslims and the other one for Hindus. In fact Muslims have a claim to three countries; Pakistan, Bangladesh and India too.
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Charles Kasakophski replied:
History happened; in the exact opposite way as you described. Gandhi’s sage advise was ignored and the new states of India and Pakistan did exactly what you said they should have done but denied they did. The results were the death of millions on both sides as Hindus and Muslims fled each newly carved out country to get to “their” country, thru bloodthirsty fanatics in both lands looking for the largest body count of their religious enemy.
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PIYUSH DHANUKA replied:
Why di Gandhi not start a fast to prevent India’s partition?
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Neil Bandari replied:
Dave, what bs. India and Indians are proud of our secular nation, just as much as America and Americans are proud of it. Of course, its a work in progress, but to say India would have been better off with a Hindu identity is anti-thetical to the very idea of India.
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Romesh Chander replied:
Neil:
Get real. Secularism was thrust upon India; it was the only way to keep peace and keep the country together. No, India is not proud of its secularism; just have no other choice without tearing the country apart.
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John Shniper wrote:
One really significant aspect of Gandhi’s teaching which are NOT addressed is his thorough going anti-modernism and opposition to uplifting of India’s indescribably destitute masses by the vigorous
introduction of industrialization and mechanization and transformation of the conditions of life in India.
Gandhi even opposed textile mills much less steel mills”Machinery is the chief symbol of modern civilization; it represents a great sin” His attitudes towards free enterprise and the profit motive were reluctant and limited tolerance at best:http://www.swaraj.org/interpreting.htm#top1 These questionable attitudes had a profound effect on making India the great laggard in economic development for two generations after his death. Greatness if uncritically viewed can block beneficial developments just as effectively as it can advance them.
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Romesh Chander replied:
John:
It does not matter. Gandhi may have opposed industrialization, but after his assasination, nobody paid any attention to his ideas. India tried to industrialize after 1950s, but botched it for ideological reasons which has nothing to do with Gandhi.
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John Shniper replied:
Who created and promoted the bad ideology and gave it such reactionary staying power? Caste and other divsions were important in factors in India’s tragic lost generations of economic opportunity. But Gandhi’s questionable legacy certainly was an important factor in justifying the worst policies and attitudes against transformation into a modern, unitary, rule of law and individual rights based state. His legacy gave caste,socialist and tribal reactionaries a Saintly Paragon to justify rejecting America and even Japan as models.
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Harsh Agarwala replied:
Any action or policy needs to be evaluated in the context of its environment of prevailing economic, social and political realities. Gandhi opposed industrialization stringently because he believed in the socialist ideal of protecting the common masses from capitalist exploitation.
In the first half of the last century, India itself had limited capital and access to resources as such rapid industrialization would have disproportionately benefited the feudal landlords as well as sellers of technology. Rapid industrialization in the absence of a domestically capable middle class can lead to sharp discrepancies in income distribution and fuel social discord. Look at Sub-Saharan Africa, Middle East, Pakistan and even the tribal belt of India as examples. All these societies show improvement in GDP/capita indices but social unrest seems to be on the rise. Given the benefit of hindsight, Gandhi should actually be called a visionary for opposing rapid industrialization when he did.
Frankly i believe that his compulsions were more political than socio-economic. Gandhi focused on developing cottage industries in order to ensure income security and self-reliance for the poorest of people (numbering a few hundred million). The swadeshi movement has its roots in the widespread discontent of Indian weavers who were being driven out of business by cheaper cloth imports from the UK, not unlike Chinese exports to the US currently.
Now before you jump to conclusions, i would like to clearly state that i am a capitalist running my own company and a policy similar to Gandhi’s in the current era would be economic suicide!
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John Shniper replied:
You certainly know more about your own country than I ever will. I have to defer to your better
informed personal knowledge of actual Indian conditions. However, I am puzzled by an apparent inconsistency in your statements. You state: ” I would like to clearly state that I am a capitalist running my own company and a policy similar to Gandhi’s in the current era would be economic suicide” If Gandhi’s economic views are absurd today, why were they visionary in 1947? Did something in the past 63 years make modern industry and agriculture and commerce more desirable for the masses of India?
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Harsh Agarwala replied:
There is no inconsistency! Time can effect a lot of changes which makes course correction and recalibration a necessity. It is foolhardy to be dogmatic in the face of changing ground realities.Some of the changes over the last century include:
1) Access to capital
2) Availability of skilled and semi-skilled labor
3) Technological know-how / capital to procure technology
3) An educated middle class that can manage industrialization
4) Better (definitely far from ideal though) regulatory oversight and taxation
5) A consumer class big enough to make industrialization remunerative for the investor
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John Shniper replied:
The real question is whether Gandhi’s economic legacy was positive or negative overall for India in the decades after his death. Soviet style 5 years plans and centralized “license Raj” dictates were the last thing India needed but that is what it got until the demise of the Soviet Union. See:http://eternian.wordpress.com/2010/02/20/failed-state-india. The only thing which kept India from plunging into more collectivist absurdity (think Mao or Stalin) was the mighty conservative force of India’s caste system. Maybe Gandhi got it right in seeing the caste system as something to be reformed gradually.
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Harsh Agarwala replied:
It was Nehru and not Gandhi who shaped India’s policies in the first two decades after independence so any bouquets or brickbats should be thrown in his face and not Gandhi’s.
As far as the efficacy of 5 year plans immediately post Independence go, the jury is still out on that one and far more erudite economists are debating the matter. One thing is for certain though that Nehru’s daughter Indira should have limited the scope of, if not done away completely with archaic 5 year plans during her tenure.
Surprisingly the Indian Government has a planning commission which still formulates these plans.
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Nisarg Kamdar wrote:
re@?rd.or as Jonathan shamin puts it the poor mans nial Ferguson.obviously has some old score to settle.same old British arrogance.its their birth right to preside over an imperial rule.stop peddling gossip or dope about Gandhi.try spending some time resurrecting the kingdom of sorrows Britain which now is even deeper despair.very easy for you to sit in your armchair and malign dead people just for some cheap publicity.littlejohn of the daily liar must be your best mate.
and yes thanks to the British.without them we would never have survived.they are the true saviour’s of this rubbish country India’s.why highlight the fact that it was the Indian infantry which fought at the frontline while the British sat chalkin out the strategies in cosy comforts of their sofa.
have some mercy my British lords.
never mind that Cameron comes begging to India for some jobs and investment.a trivial Indian slave,forever in the service of lord Pi?@ock
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Nisarg Kamdar wrote:
re@?rd.or as Jonathan shamin puts it the poor mans nial Ferguson.obviously has some old score to settle.same old British arrogance.its their birth right to preside over an imperial rule.stop peddling gossip or dope about Gandhi.try spending some time resurrecting the kingdom of sorrows Britain which now is even deeper despair.very easy for you to sit in your armchair and malign dead people just for some cheap publicity.littlejohn of the daily liar must be your best mate.
and yes thanks to the British.without them we would never have survived.they are the true saviour’s of this rubbish country India’s.why highlight the fact that it was the Indian infantry which fought at the frontline while the British sat chalkin out the strategies in cosy comforts of their sofa.
have some mercy my British lords.
never mind that Cameron comes begging to India for some jobs and investment.a trivial Indian slave,forever in the service of lord Pi?@ock
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Romesh Chander wrote:
I pay attention to Gandhi’s ideas and his methodologies (their successes and failures), not his personal ideosyncracies. Gandhi as an individual is not as important as are his ideas. Don’t consider his methodologies as a cookbook for actions; there is no cookbook, period; you adopt methodolgies by analysing the situation on hand (and analysing your own strengths and weaknesses, as well as of those of your enemies).
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Ash Patil wrote:
As an Indian, I know what Gandhi really stands for and am shocked by this really disturbing and disgraceful book about Gandhi. whether these are ‘facts’ or ‘fiction’, only the author knows. we know he was human and nobody worshiped him as ‘demi-God’, it were his principles , that most of the world respects.
What a shame, that in these times of violence and unrest in the world, WSJ chose to publish this article slandering Gandhi for all that he stood for: Non Violence.
what better can you expect from the right wing leaning WSJ fanatics?
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Charles Kasakophski replied:
Well said.
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Ash Patil wrote:
As an Indian, I know what Gandhi really stands for and am shocked by this really disturbing and disgraceful book about Gandhi. whether these are ‘facts’ or ‘fiction’, only the author knows. we know he was human and nobody worshiped him as ‘demi-God’, it were his principles , that most of the world respects.
What a shame, that in these times of violence and unrest in the world, WSJ chose to publish this article slandering Gandhi for all that he stood for: Non Violence.
what better can you expect from the right wing leaning WSJ fanatics?
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Charles Kasakophski replied:
I’ve read several books about Gandhi. The one advertised here sounds as worthless and culturally suicidal as the even more worthless article accompanying it. Gandhi was one of the few people of true greatness in the 20th century. If people choose to rewrite history and reduce great people to the kind of garbage in this article, than you have nothing left to strive for, admire or grow towards. All great people weren’t perfect but exaggerating their quirks to make it look like all history was a failure is self defeating. This isn’t about right wing or left wing, this is about humans saying their species has no value or hope.
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Neil Bandari replied:
Completely agree, as if you took the words from my mouth. It is easy to slander a famous dead icon to sell a few books and make a little money, but its a shameful small deed. I am also amazed at the poor quality of people who post on this board. Bigoted, narrow-minded, foolish, many other such words come to mind. It’s such a pleasure when the wise ones speak up and bring some sanity and balance.
Before you write the book of (I wrote Andrew the WSJ reviewer off), read the other review in NYT. Much more balanced and civil.
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Charles Kasakophski replied:
(reply to Neil Vandari) Your comments on this site are by far the wisest ones I’ve read in some time. Thanks for contributing; reading your comments lets us know there are still readers who’ve moved beyond cynicism and bitterness in their lives.
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JIM PERSAUD wrote:
What the????
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William Drose wrote:
And I don’t ascribe any ‘Great Soul” to Gandhi, he was a human being.
Does anybody really worship him like God, or a god??
I don’t think any person really worships any other person, if you think about, not from the heart. Or maybe when they’re young and it’s a boy or girl, then worship gets confused with love.
But a person walking along doesn’t easily worship other persons, however esteemed. Not likely to happen.
And I’m not anti West but some of the rhetoric both in the article and in these posts reveals just why Gandhi prevailed and also, why he took the tack he did. If the opponent is large and loud, be small and quiet.
This is not an argument for either his character or politics, but an observation about strategy.
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Neil Bandari replied:
Wise words, William. Thanks for sharing.
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Romesh Chander wrote:
Please read Geoffrey C. Ward’s review that appeared on March 24 in the New York Times.
How 2 reviews of the same book in 2 different publications could be so different? It simply means what each other wants to empahsize (or his/her preudices), as well as the prejudices of their publications. WSJ rarely (if ever) had any good words for India since the day I have been reading it (and that is over 30 years now).
I think WSJ should stick to money matters, not sociology or politics.
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Thomas Stanley replied:
Romesh, you are specifically, emphatically and measurably WRONG. The WSJ is typically quite balanced, but I would say that its coverage of India in recent years has actually been quite favorable. Sorry the review found your hero Gandhi less than virtuous. Don’t blame the messenger. And FYI, if you take the NYTimes review to be the standard against which all reviews should be based, you are seriously, sadly mistaken, my friend. You might consider getting that online subscription now that they have decided to (gasp) charge all their readers for online subscriptions.
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Romesh Chander replied:
Thomas:
Yes, you find recent coverage of India by WSJ as quite favourable, simply because it deals with money and it is good for American business. Otherwise, over a longer period (30 years I am talking about), its coverage was quite political and negative (when India was sort of socialist). WSJ understands only one thing, and that is $$$ for USA (and nothing for the developing world).
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Nat Ramachandran replied:
Eloquently stated. Ward’s review (I read it twice after I read this idiot and it is remarkably different and made me plan to buy the book.)
I love the WSJ 95-97% of the time. It gives space for a good polemical viewpoint, most of which typically goes unpublished elsewhere. I love it (particularly the Editorial).
Except when its written by ‘I-had-one-class-in-history’ half-butt unwashed Tory like Andrew Roberts.
Andrew Roberts should stick to his favorite fat man: Winston Churchill.
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Bharti Shewalkar wrote:
Seriously Good article, This will enlighten people about the truth of gandhi’s politics.
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Neil Bandari replied:
You mean the opinions of those who disagree with Gandhi’s ideas? Don’t call it “truth”. Thats a loaded word.
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Pierce deWah wrote:
FINALLY… someone has the courage to tell the truth about the crook Gandhi.
Gandhi was a marketing machine. His image, his demeanor, his style, were all choreographed to appeal to the masses.His publicists in turn presented him as the “Great Soul” when he was nothing more than a mediocre lawyer turned political activist who milked the Quit India movement bandwagon as much as he could.
Real statesmen who fought for India in wars, that wrote and implemented legislation to help the poor Indian farmers, that visited with troops fighting the scoundrel Nazis, that were on the forefront of the world political arena are long forgotten. For supporting the War Effort, men like Sikander Hyat-Khan (Premier Punjab 1935-1942) are labeled as “toadys” of the British, and the Gandhis are referred to as the “Great Souls,” the “Jinnahs” who broke up India for their personal gain are referred to as the “Great Leader (Quaid-e-Azam).” The Gandhis, Jinnahs of India were charlatans. They hurt India and contributed more towards hurting the people of India than helping. The “Hyats,” the real founding fathers and proponents or Hindu-Muslim-Sikh unity, have been either erased or had their roles minimalised in history books by the ‘toadys’ of Gandhi’s India and Jinnah’s Pakistan.
Below excerpt from letter to Jinnah from Sikander that speaks for itself:
“We are faced with a situation fraught with grave and imminent danger to the safety of our country. The menace from the east is rapidly approaching our borders, and is growing in volume. The threat from the west and north-west has momentarily receded, thanks to the valiant resistance put up by the Russians, but it may reappear at any moment, and perhaps in a more aggravated form, as a result of the anticipated Nazi attempt to break through Turkey, and French North Africa. My views on the war effort are well known to you and the members of the Working Committee. You are aware that I have from the very outset of this war pleaded for a policy of whole-hearted and unconditional support, because it is my fixed conviction that bringing this war to a successful conclusion is of vital importance to India, and the Muslims throughout the world, as it is to Great Britain. Recent developments on our eastern frontiers have only helped to strengthen that conviction it is equally true that by withholding our support at this critical juncture we will be jeopardizing the safety of our country as also of our neighbours among other of Burma, Dutch East Indies, and Malaya in the east, and Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq, Syria, Palestine, Turkey, and Egypt in the west. If God forbid, the Nazis and Japanese succeed in this war all our political aspirations, and ambitions of a free and equal partnership, will be frustrated for good. The fate of ninety million Muslims in this country and of an equal or even greater number elsewhere, together with 300 million of our non-Muslim countrymen, and a multitude of nations outside India is in the balance. It ill-becomes a Muslim to waver or hesitate when the whole world is in the throes of a life and death struggle and even the slightest weight on one side or the other may tilt the balance in our favor or against us. If India survives, and it can only survive if Great Britain survives, there will be time enough after the war to press our demands. At the moment all our energies and resources must be devoted, exclusively, to save India, and ourselves, from enslavement by the Japanese and Nazis.”
Excellent job Mr. Roberts (I’ll be the first one to buy your book)…and a standing ovation for Mr. Lelyveld.
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Romesh Chander replied:
Pierce:
How much money did this crook Gandhi made? And how much money respected bankers like Morgan, Chase, Rothchild, Warburg, Mouzillo and others made? And everybody wants to be a Morgan, not a Gandhi or even a Mohammed Yunus (Grammen Bank, Bangladesh). Why?
I pay attention to Gandhi’s ideas and his methodologies (their successes and failures), not his personal ideosyncracies. Gandhi as an individual is not as important as are his ideas. Don’t consider his methodologies as a cookbook for actions; there is no cookbook, period; you adopt methodolgies by analysing the situation on hand (and analysing your own strengths and weaknesses, as well as of those of your enemies).
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Pierce deWah replied:
Romesh:
Morgan, Chase, Rothschild, Warburg were capitalists – financiers, bankers and in the business of making money. What was Gandhi’s motivation?
Gandhis ‘ideas’ and his ‘methodologies’ were not ‘his.’ Principles or tenets of non-violence can be found in each of the major Indian religious traditions (Hinduism, Buddhism, Jainism and Sikhism) as well as in the major Abrahamic religious traditions (Judaism, Christianity and Islam). The Chandogya Upanishad, which is part of the Upanishads, one of the principal scriptures of Hinduism that dates to the 8th or 7th century BCE, bars violence against “all creatures” (sarva-bhuta) and establishes nonviolence as a code of conduct for Hindus.
As a technique for social struggle, nonviolence has been described as “the politics of ordinary people,” reflecting its historically mass-based use by populations throughout the world and history. Perhaps the first instance of a nonviolent campaign in modern history, with major political impact, was the March 1 Movement in Korea, which was a catalyst for the establishment of the Provisional Government of the Republic of Korea in Shanghai in April 1919 and influenced nonviolent resistance in India and many other countries.
Indians and Pakistanis and peoples of all nations, would fare well through opening their minds and start questioning the ‘real’ contributions and achievements of their leaders than to deify personalities.
I suspect, in reading your recognition that “Gandhi as an individual is not as important as are his ideas,” Lelyveld rests his case. Well said.
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Charles Kasakophski replied:
(reply to Romesh Chander) A very good reply to a dreadfully toxic comment. Well said, Romesh.
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Romesh Chander replied:
Pierce:
You did not understand my point. You called gandhi a crook; and crooks usually do things simply for self-aggrandisements, not for the benefit of others. And that is why I brought up the bankers (the really crooks who could care less for anybody else).
It is silly to find the concept of non-violence in religions. His concept of non-violence came from political readings of Rousseau, Thoreau; and he found it to be a practical concept for the weak people, and he went on modiftying it as time went on and he gained more and more experience in mobilizing people (and in the attitude of British). Non-violence was not developed in some sort of vacuum or in an ivory tower think tank Yes, use of religion helped in convincing people to the ‘correctness’ of methodology, simply because religion plays such an important part in the life of Indians.
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PIYUSH DHANUKA replied:
Indian religious psychology is congruent to believing that an avatar will deliver them from their tormentor. Gandhi’s actually crippled India’s resistance to British rule. He still gets credit to get the freedom for free by melting the British heart. This is the reason that Indians don’t value their own individual liberty as much as Americans do. That is why they have been been wasting their freedom as they would have if they shed their blood for it. Bose, on the other hand, was honest when he asked for the blood to get the freedom.
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Pierce deWah replied:
Romesh:
Tellingly, the men that founded the organizations that you mentioned, fueled the engine of the US economy. They were financial geniuses. Can we earnestly say the same for Gandhi? What did he fuel? Hatred? Death? Partition of India? What did his politics of non-violence achieve in the end? A splintered India? Disunity at a religious level? A struggling economy?
It is equally ‘silly’ to believe that Gandhi was the ‘Great Soul.’ His ideas are sourced from elsewhere, so what else is left? His character was questionable as the article suggests. His politics achieved very little. Have Indians got no one else to deify?
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Vivek Sundararaj wrote:
I have heard all these arguments before, having grown up in India, where it seems detractors of Gandhi are far more prevalent than in the west. Nevertheless, I feel at least 75% of the arguments are made with a disregard for or misunderstanding of the context (time and place) where Gandhi lived. I find it funny when someone says it would have been easy for 300million Indians to get rid of the small number of British rulers, because before Gandhi (and his other leaders) there was no such thing as India. The lasting legacy of Gandhi’s success is the fact that there is a country called India. It is no mean feat to unite millions of people who have so much differences and have fought with each other for centuries.
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PIYUSH DHANUKA replied:
This psychology led to India’s partition. Truth is that hardly any country of today existed in their current political form for more than 1-2 centuries. The Indian subcontinent, just like many other nations had shifting political borders and warring states. No invader from time memorial invaded one particular state of India. They always invaded “the people” of the Indian subcontinent.
Alexander to British, they all dreamed of robbing and ruling this vast nation between Himalayas and ocean. Borders and the rulers kept changing but the ordinary people of India kept living, trading, and moving in the entire subcontinent as one large nation despite of its diversity. To say otherwise has been a propaganda successfully propagated by British rulers. It was subsequently adopted by “Father of Nation” and people around him to claim the authority over India’s fate.
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John OGrady wrote:
Wow, I am absolutely shocked by this. I was shocked by the truth about Mother Theresa, but this is even worse.
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Neil Bandari replied:
Don’t fall into some publisher’s trap and assume opinion and fiction as “truth”. All these guys have families to feed and controversy sells well. I could bring out a book saying George Washington was gay, anti-Semitic and had a black mother and an idiot market segment out there will lap it up and pay good money to boot. I’ll throw in a bunch of “research” claims on the back page, and gift a years supply of vaseline to Andrew The Book Reviewer @ WSJ and that should buy me a controversial review to help sell more.
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Susan Quinn replied:
For anyone with even a tiny bit of understanding of the spiritual life, there was nothing shocking about Mother Teresa’s “dark nights of the soul.” The same kind of thing was experienced by many, many saints, including St. Teresa of Lisieux, the “Little Flower.” Catholics believe that the sense of abandonment by God in the dark night is analogically akin to what Christ experienced when he said, “My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken me?” – i.e. that it is necessary to learn to walk by faith and NOT by “experiences” of God’s constant presence. The other St. Teresa, Teresa of Avila, would reply to the sisters in her order when they began talking about mystical experiences of the presence of God, “Sweep the floor and they’ll go away!”
As for the more scurrilous attacks on Mother Teresa -that she was a publicity hound or whatever, look at the source. And look at how she lived and where any money raised by such “publicity” went. Yes, I’ve read the insane attacks coming out of England, but again: look at the source and what THOSE people do with their lives. Finally, the utter contempt poured upon a woman for helping the suffering instead of joining a leftist group agitating for political revolution – sickening. As she herself said, others can handle the politics; she has dying people right in front of her eyes to love, so they have someone with them when they die.
But then, it is just like the left to reduce REAL PEOPLE to political ciphers or symbols – hence Obama wanting to kill babies that survive abortion – the very baby suffering in front of your eyes needs to continue to suffer, he believed, in order to make the political point that abortion is the greatest boon ever given humankind {See his actions on Illinois’ born-alive infant protection act, which he fought tooth and nail, though it was identical to one the federal government passed, and not even NARAL or Hilary Clinton made a peep).
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M Srinivasan wrote:
Instead of an honest review of the book, the reviewer has poured venom on Gandhi, of which he seems to be well endowed. Reminiscent of the character assassination of Gandhi that appeared many years ago in the Jewish magazine ‘Commentary’, it would seem that certain persons can never forgive Gandhi for his perceived lack of sympathy for the plight of the victims of Hitler. Gandhi can be forgiven for not knowing the full extent of Hitler’s evil and assuming all men are innately good. In spite of the attempted denigration, the fact remains that for millions all over the world Gandhi stands as a symbol of Goodness.
For a real review of the book, please read Geoffrey C. Ward’s review that appeared on March 24 in the New York Times.
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Juhan Singha replied:
So you are saying that the Review is full of author’s opinions? And is not based on facts (such as Gandhi was gay and let massacre of Hindus go on and called Islam a religion of peace)?
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M Srinivasan replied:
Yes. Many claims of the reviewer are his own opinions and not based on ‘facts’. It is almost a Western disease to find non-existent evidence that many revered people were ‘gay’. If two men are friends, does it mean they are sexually involved? A relateda ‘fact’ that the reviewer gives is that Gandhi had ‘left his wife’ in 1908. Utter nonsense! Well, if you are a sewage inspector, you become immune to stink.
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Romesh Chander replied:
Mr Srinivasin:
How 2 reviews of the same book in 2 different publications could be so different? It simply means what each other wants to empahsize (or his/her preudices), as well as the prejudices of their publications. WSJ rarely (if ever) had any good words for India since the day I have been reading it (and that is over 30 years now).
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PIYUSH DHANUKA replied:
India needs an introspection. Weather WSJ is always good or bad does not matter.
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Harsh Agarwala replied:
Well pointed out Mr. Srinivasan. I too was a little confused about this being a book review or an op-ed.
Seems WSJ has adopted a novel approach to plug books a la Amy Chua’s tiger mom..
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Deepak Seth wrote:
This book is an honest assessment of Gandhi. We can continue to fool ourselves, or believe in truth. British were good to India. Unlike Indian Rajas an Kings, who were bunch of psychopaths and retards. They raped India befor British.British gave India democracy, education, foundation of modern state. Stopped horrible crimes against women After about sixty, seventy years of self rule, we still see no infrastructure, but buildings from British time.
Gandhi was a self promoter, ordinary Indians hated him. But Western intelluctals loved him.Congress and Nehru glorified him to give him, ” Father of Nation” . Even Nehru said ” Gandhi claims to be living in poverty, but it costs thousands of rupees to keep him in poverty “
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Neil Bandari replied:
Who will judge what is honest and dishonest? And will the dead man rise to defend his name? You guys are just a bunch of envious mud-rackers. Can’t do anything meaningful with your own lives, so want to spout off against a man who died 3 generations ago and happens to be one of the most studied historical figures ever. “British were good to India” “Ordinary Indians hated him” pulling nonsense out of deep holes, and anointing it fact when its just opinion.
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PIYUSH DHANUKA replied:
Gandhi himself as a person is not the issue. Problem is that you want to insulate all his actions from any criticism.
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Tenali Rama replied:
Deepak, that’s nonsense – the British were not good to india. Note:
“The arrival of East India Company in India ruined the Indian economy. There was a two-way depletion of resources. British used to buy raw materials from India at cheaper rates and finished goods were sold at higher than normal price in Indian markets. During this phase India’s share of world income declined from 22.3% in 1700 AD to 3.8% in 1952. ” (http://www.mapsofindia.com/india-economy.html) This is how a core/peripherry system works – you don’t colonize to be nice – you do that to suck resources away to the core.
The British did help curb cruel practices such as ‘sati.’ Gandhi and many other Indians also worked for this and women’s rights in general. There is history of such efforts in the 18th century (reference the work by the Swaminarayan sanstha to this extent.)
Although, to your point, monarchy was likely no boon throughout India (but there were at least some states that were ruled by fair kings), and a unified democracy did likely result due to the administrative, educational and political infrastructure that the British had set up.
Many ordinary Indians did hate Gandhi because he was stubborn in his views and many times didn’t see the other side’s perspective. He could have more accommodating, but he couldn’t have pleased everyone anyway. I like the way Donal Trump thinks about leadership – sometimes it’s okay for a leader to push through his/her vision, even if others fret. In any case, stubbon with a bamboo stick is better than stubborn with a few F-16′s, RPG’s etc a la Gaddafi : )
Post independence hindu rate of growh was indeed bad…but we can blame Nehru for the soviet style economy planning at the outset. Thankfully that is starting to change now, and will be noisy contentious and politically charged, and there is much for the Indians to get right, before a modern India emerges, but the British empire not needed for good results!
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jillian drallop wrote:
Less like George Washington
More like Michael Jackson
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PIYUSH DHANUKA replied:
That one line says a lot.
That is why US and India are so different.
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3 days ago
JAMES MATLOCK replied:
The US and India are “so” different, but people in both countries still insist on making sweeping generalizatons about the other based on one or two frivolous remarks.
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Nat Ramachandran replied:
Jillian – Observant (yet bigoted) comment.
George held slaves. Gandhi (or should I write “Ghandi” for you?) less so.
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4 days ago
MICHAEL WALSH wrote:
That this megalomaniac continues to excite such awe long after his death is his greatest legacy. He was adept at pushing Britain’s buttons at a time when Britain was tired of empire. His timing, if nothing else about him, was impeccable.
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Romesh Chander replied:
Mr Walsh:
Nonsense. If Britain was tired of its Empire, why did Britain not leave in 1919, i.e., immediately after World war 1?. It was only in 1919 (after the Massacre in Amritsar), Gandhi got serious about kicking Britain out of India; before that he was for a Canada/NewZeland/UK type of relationship for India, not for Independence. If the Britsh were tired of Empire, when was that? In 1931, when Gandhi started his Salt March? Or When Gandhi was asked by British to come to London (in 1931 after the Salt March) for talks (which were a failure); when he returned from London, they put him in jail.
No, UK were never tired of their empire. It is only after WW2, when Britain was flat broke that it could not hold on to its Empire, that it saw the handwriting on the wall, it decided to liquidate the Empire (and leave Palestine to UN). If Churchill was in power in 1946, Britian still would have hung on to its Empire (even in 1947, Churchill was opposed to Independence).
Read some history, fellows.
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3 days ago
MICHAEL WALSH replied:
You make my point for me. And Gandhi was never really serious about anything but Gandhi. Why bother reading the little history you have if you refuse to learn anything from it?
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4 days ago
William Drose wrote:
Since Ghandi won without firing a single shot, the West has no recourse but to issue him a sexual offender teeshirt.
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Harsh Agarwala replied:
Actually funny sarcastic wit is becoming rare….. good one…
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John Mulligan replied:
No kidding. And the raised-eyebrow narration of the possibility that a human being might have been gay and even masturbated shows just how low this cesspool of a publication has sunk since Murdoch bought it.
Apparently, fiscal conservatives have come to find homophobia an integral part of their agenda. What pigs.
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Romesh Chander replied:
Michael:
And to extinguish Britsh Empire, Gandhi never fired a single shot. Only thing he carried with him was his bamboo stick, which he used solely for walking. Poor British (and Westerners), they never understood Gandhi and his tactics (and they still don’t understand him, which is fine with Indians). Poor Churchill; he refused to meet Gandhi; and guess, who lost? If Churchill had met him, I doubt, he would have understood him. After all, none of his Viceroys understood him, either; and every one of them was sent packing home to London in frustration. And Lord Wavell was summarily sacked.
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Daniela Arno replied:
The Brits couldn’t wait to get out of the squat toilet that was India. They were broke and India was a huge economic burden on them. Gandhi had very little or nothing to do with getting the Brits out of India.
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Romesh Chander replied:
Juhan:
It is nonsensical to say that Gandhi failed to protect Hindus from Muslims. What could he do other than plead to everybody (which he has been throughout his life). Did he exhort Hindus/Muslims to kill each other? Don’t blame Gandhi for all that. He had no power other than of persuation. Real world is different, and he could not change the real world (and which has not changed long after Gandhi’s assasination).
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Neil Bandari replied:
Juhan, you are one sick dude. Go visit a psychiatrist. You need help.
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JAMES MATLOCK replied:
That’s quite a lie, Michael. Big enough to even get some folks to believe it.
Ghandi “got rid of” the British Enpire by among other things, appealing to the conscience of the British public. He had a key insight to the British character and knew that he was up against a civilized British culture that had limits as to how far it would go with violence. if he’d faced Nazis or Soviet Communists for instance, What would have been the outcome there, do you suppose? Frankly, nobod would have ever heard of Gandhi. A quiet arrest, a bullet in the head in some cellar and an anonymous grave would have stopped Gandhi’s non-voilent movement. As it very likely did hundreds ot times to would-have-been Gandhi’s in Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia. That technique is still in use today in places like Iran, Yemem and Iibya, where any would-be oppostion leader would have to be suicidal in the exterme to try Gandhi’s method of nonviolence. Gandhi was exceedingly fortunate in having the British to oppose, and he knew it.
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Chitra Murali wrote:
No Indian should buy this book
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Romesh Chander replied:
Chitra:
I agree. No Indian should waste his/her money on this book.
We know what Gandhi was; who cares what Westerners think? Gandhi was just another human being, like you and me; he had his strengths and his weaknesses, just like anybody else. He was not God, as some Westerners like to assume (and then try to prove that he was not). Gandhi was too complicated for a Westerner to understand.
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Gerry Dail replied:
Oh, please, Mr. Chander. Ghandi was too complicated for a Westerner to understand? Your claim of such inscrutability in those born in India smacks of the same Inscrutability of those born in the “Middle Kingdom.” Humans are humans regardless of where in the world someone is born. Cultures are different, but at their core, Socrates and Confucius would likely find much in common.
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Juhan Singha replied:
I will buy it and I thank the author for his immense research and effort to get the truth.
There are two things that will bother conservative and backward Indians and Hindus (who are not much different than Muslims) in their treatment of gays and women.
Even I did not know that Gandhi was gay. This could cause riots in India. I knew about his liking for enema but now I know the “rest of the story”,
Secondly just like Obama, Bush and other bone headed leaders who see Muslims massacre non-Muslims and even Muslims every day but keep calling Islam a “religion of peace”. Gandhi was responsible for not stopping the massacre of Hindus in India and Pakistan. But he protected Muslims and today India is paying the price of constant Islamic terrorism and intolerance.
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JASON FRANK replied:
Collectivism, starvation and poverty that resulted from collectivism if not, however, even if your point is granted to you without debate. India is only just starting to recover from Gandhi’s failed policies now.
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jillian drallop replied:
I’m sure that will make the truth go away.
Perhaps you and Romesh should collaborate on a defending Ghandi video.
Call Chris Crocker–
Gandhi is a human!
Leave Gandhi Alone!
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Deepak Seth replied:
” Eyes wide shut ” You cannot suppress the truth.
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PIYUSH DHANUKA replied:
Why are you scared of some little facts?
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NANDEESH MADAPADI wrote:
“In August 1942, with the Japanese at the gates of India, having captured most of Burma, Gandhi initiated a campaign designed to hinder the war effort and force the British to “Quit India.” Had the genocidal Tokyo regime captured northeastern India, as it almost certainly would have succeeded in doing without British troops to halt it,” – I highly doubt this since the Japanese was allied with INA of Netaji and therefore genocide would not have happened. Also, the British troops that halted the progress of Japanese were really Indian Soldiers who was lent to the British by the Indian princes when the British begged the Indian princes of independent states to help them win the war. The British would have never won the war if the Nepalese Gurkhas or the Punjabi Sikhs had not fought the Japanese on behalf of the British army.
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Alex Temenid replied:
Without Indian soldiers serving under the British flag, you’re right that India would probably have been overrun by the Japanese invaders. You’re wrong to think the Japanese would have been more magnanimous toward the Indians they conquered than they were toward Filipinos, Chinese, or any others who were subjugated by them.
You’re also wrong that the British (the Allies, really) would have lost the war. In fact, although there was much pitched combat, sacrifice, and bravery on the side of the Allied forces, the entire theater turned out to be basically rendered irrelevant by the naval war in the Pacific and the island hopping campaign that positioned the US to burn out the major Japanese cities and set the stage for what would have been an extraordinarily sanguinary invasion, had the atomic bombs not been developed and deployed before the invasion was launched.
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NANDEESH MADAPADI replied:
Alex: we will have to agree to disagree. The British (read Indian soldiers) won against the Japanese in Singapore and other SE Asian countries. It really was the Indian alliance, which helped Britain immensely in First World War and surely in Second World War. Without the Indian’s help, Britain would be too preoccupied in Europe/Germany and would have lost SE Asia. My Grandfather who was in South India was tasked with collecting food grains from the Indian farmers and delivering to the troops. Sadly, this was also done in Eastern India when Bengal underwent severe famine, so please spare me details of undermining Indian contribution to the British.
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Michael Antebi replied:
Hello Gandi! Hello Dolly!
Isn’t this about the same man who praised Hitler during World War II? In May 1940 he said, “I do not consider Herr Hitler to be as bad as he is depicted. He is showing an ability that is amazing and he seems to be gaining his victories without much bloodshed.” He regretted that Hitler had employed war rather than non-violence to achieve his aims, but nonetheless averred that the Germans of the future “will honour Herr Hitler as a genius, a brave man, matchless organiser and much more”. (From “Indian Summer” by Alex von Tunzelman, Simon & Schuster Pub.)
Gandhi advised the Jews in Germany to pray for Hitler, “If even one Jew acted thus, he would save his self-respect and leave an example which, if it became infectious, would save the whole of Jewry and leave a rich heritage to mankind besides.”
Isn’t this the same man who took a different young woman to bed every night to test his moral will? Gandhi ‘tested’ himself by sleeping with naked grand-nieces Manu and Abha and others. (“Gandhi: Naked Ambition” published by Quercus, UK) I wonder how many abortions were done for the sake of India.
Isn’t this the type of non-violent, lecherous, political hypocrites of the earth who proclaim their sanctity while violating those of everybody else? Who knows what other damage he would have done to mankind if he was not assassinated?
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Nat Ramachandran replied:
Have you heard of St. Augustine’s experiments with nude concubines?
Here’s something for your perusal: “At age 17, Augustine fell in love with a woman whom he never named. Although Augustine largely downplays the relationship in the Confessions, explaining that he was infatuated with the idea of romantic love and had no control of his lustful desires, it seems clear he loved her deeply. Unfortunately, however, he felt he could not marry her because she was of a lower social class.”
Just because of that, I wouldn’t downgrade the great thoughts that came from St. Augustine.
Your grasp of history is non-existent. Read some books and gain some reasoning skills before spouting venom.
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Gandhi ‘left his wife to live with a male lover’ new book claims
By Daniel Bates
Last updated at 1:02 AM on 28th March 2011
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Mahatma Gandhi was bisexual and left his wife to live with a German-Jewish bodybuilder, a controversial biography has claimed.
The leader of the Indian independence movement is said to have been deeply in love with Hermann Kallenbach.
He allegedly told him: ‘How completely you have taken possession of my body. This is slavery with a vengeance.’
Lovers? Gandhi and Kallenbach sit alongside a female companion. A new book has controversially said that the pair had a two-year relationship between 1908 and 1910
Lovers? Gandhi and Kallenbach sit alongside a female companion. A new book has controversially said that the pair had a two-year relationship between 1908 and 1910
Kallenbach was born in Germany but emigrated to South Africa where he became a wealthy architect.
Gandhi was working there and Kallenbach became one of his closest disciples. .
The pair lived together for two years in a house Kallenbach built in South Africa and pledged to give one another ‘more love, and yet more love . . . such love as they hope the world has not yet seen.’
Controversial: The new book outlines many details of Gandhi’s sexual behaviour, including allegations he slept with his great niece
Controversial: The new book outlines many details of Gandhi’s sexual behaviour, including allegations he slept with his great niece
The extraordinary claims were made in a new biography by author Joseph Lelyveld called ‘Great Soul: Mahatma Gandhi And His Struggle With India’ which details the extent of his relationship with Kallenbach like never before.
At the age of 13 Gandhi had been married to 14-year-old Kasturbai Makhanji, but after four children together they split in 1908 so he could be with Kallenbach, the book says.
At one point he wrote to the German: ‘Your portrait (the only one) stands on my mantelpiece in my bedroom. The mantelpiece is opposite to the bed.’
Although it is not clear why, Gandhi wrote that vaseline and cotton wool were a ‘constant reminder’ of Kallenbach.
He nicknamed himself ‘Upper House’ and his lover ‘Lower House’ and he vowed to make Kallenbach promise not to ‘look lustfully upon any woman’.
‘I cannot imagine a thing as ugly as the intercourse of men and women,’ he later told him.
They were separated in 1914 when Gandhi went back to India – Kallenbach was not allowed into India because of the First World War, after which they stayed in touch by letter.
As late as 1933 he wrote a letter telling of his unending desire and branding his ex-wife ‘the most venomous woman I have met’.
Lelyveld’s book goes beyond the myth to paint a very different picture of Gandhi’s private life and makes astonishing claims about his sexuality.
Revolutionary: The claims made in the book are likely to be disputed by millions of Gandhi’s followers across the globe
Revolutionary: The claims made in the book are likely to be disputed by millions of Gandhi’s followers across the globe
It details how even in his 70s he regularly slept with his 17-year-old great niece Manu and and other women but tried to not to become sexually excited.
He once told a woman: ‘Despite my best efforts, the organ remained aroused. It was an altogether strange and shameful experience.’
The biography also details one instance in which he forced Manu to walk through a part of the jungle where sexual assaults had in the past taken place just to fetch a pumice stone for him he liked to use to clean his feet.
She returned with tears in her eyes but Gandhi just ‘cackled’ and said: ‘If some ruffian had carried you off and you had met your death courageously, my heart would have danced with joy.’
The revelations about Gandhi are likely to be deeply contested by his millions of followers around the world for whom he is revered with almost God-like status.
Nobody from the Indian High Commission to Britain was available for comment.
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Gandhi is a great person, but exploring his personal life is useless task.
- vijay, bangalore,India, 29/3/2011 7:21
Rating 14
Mohandas (Mahatma was his honorific) Gandhi isn’t here to defend himself. It would be one thing if these things were known in his lifetime or just afterwards. It’s quite another thing a full century plus later. I have no great honor for Gandhi the 1947 Partition ended more than 1 million lives but unless there is something real to this, such as a genuine historical record, let the man rest in peace. Like him or not, he is part of history now. Let that history be actual history, not “revisionist history” such as became so common since 1990.
- Nabuquduriuzhur, Oregon, US, 29/3/2011 4:38
Rating 3
Why drag a dead man’s private life into the limelight? The poor soul has been dead for 62 years. People don’t even have the decency to let the dead soul have his well deserved rest.
- Kane, detroit U/SA, 29/3/2011 2:29
Rating 6
So, how the hell does this matter to anyone? I don’t know why people enjoy peeping into someone else’s bedroom. Our concern with Gandhi is what he did outside his house. Not inside. And what he did outside is monumental and epoch making for India and even for the whole world.
- Azhal, Gurgaon, India, 29/3/2011 0:40
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It is bad to defame the personality of a common man but personality like Gandhi have many dimensions & anyone can paint it in any shade. Gandhi is a versatile personality, a personality with which you can love, you can hate, on you can crack a joke or worship. He was main reason of India’s growth or grief , he was India’s main Hero or villain, he was perfect leader or bad on table solution provider. He was the man having all the weakness of a human being have & all the strengths which a human wants to have… Gandhi was a darshan (or Philosophy), just extract the metal u want from it……..
- Dr Vimal Khurana, Pune, 28/3/2011 23:37
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This guy is really funny. A very funny book. i hope all the people will look at this humorosly and not take this seriously. I was rolling on the floor with laughter.
- Jack, Indiana, U.S, 28/3/2011 23:09
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It’s rather funny how some of the people writing comments on this article cannot even get the man’s name right – It’s Gandhi & not GHANDI : )
- Somewhere in India, India, 28/3/2011 22:50
Wow,here comeas a writer claimin GANDHIJI was a bisexual. just to make some money and gain cheap publicity.However GANDHIJI is a by far at GREATER HIEIGHTS which these cheap writers can nvr touch.
- varun, delhi,india, 28/3/2011 22:20
Rating 2
For a person of that stature to be dragged through filth by an unknown and given such media exposure is a travesty in itself and shame, not just to Indians but peace loving people who have his following all round the world. His peaceful means of making of a nation will never be forgotten worldwide and will prevail anything, let alone such mulch written by an unknown.
- Ebrahim Sodha, Nuneaton, England, 28/3/2011 19:57
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It’s an outrageous attempt to malign and defame one of the most widely acclaimed world leader. I am unsure of the author’s intent in making these claims. No matter what the article claims, Mahatma Gandhi would continue to be an inspiring leader to millions like me.
- Senthil Kumar Vidyadharan, Cleveland United States, 28/3/2011 19:30
Rating 3
How very interesting I’m sure, but what difference does it really make to anything? Hermann Kallenbach should take up writing books for the under fives, it would probably be about the right level for his capabilities.
- Jimmy R , Highlands of Scotland, 28/3/2011 18:06
Rating 2
BITTER TRUTH…
- shrjay, india, 28/3/2011 16:34
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The author isn’t saying Gandhi is anything less of an inspirational hero because he was bisexual is he? If people jump to that conclusion then maybe it says more about them than either Gandhi or the author. The problem with having the status Gandhi has, is that people forget he was a human being, in fact they get angry if people remind them of that fact…….as the comments show.
- DJM, Staffs, 28/3/2011 14:41
We will never know the truth!
- Sasha, Toronto, Canada, 28/3/2011 14:40
And if it was what is the problem? ceases to be what it was for that? is a nonsense, and perhaps silly to sell a publicity stunt. A pity.
- Eddie Bardi, Buenos Aires Argentina, 28/3/2011 14:32
Rating 3
This is disgusting that this low life would publish lies about someone as great as Gandhi just to sell books and foolishness. It is a clear attempt to smear his reputation. Gandhi was a great person and Hindu with high morals who had regular scripture reading and devotional kirtans at his home. It is also not unusual for serious householders who were married to renounce that position in order to serve God and all others. Desiring to detatch oneself from sensual conditions to serve God better is a noble progression.
- Dharma, USA, 28/3/2011 14:28
Rating 2
To denigrate the man who brought about the peaceful transition to independence in India , remind me how many millions died when we left and they started slaughtering each other! – Simon, GB, 28/3/2011 10:37 THIS IS BECAUSE YOU BRITISHSERS PARTIONED THE COUNTRY AS USUAL DIVIDE AND RULE OR IF YOU CAN’T THEN DESTROY LIKE WHAT YOU ARE DOING IN LIBYA, IRAQ AND AFGHANISTAN.
- harsukh, delhi, 28/3/2011 14:17
Rating 1
From what I can read from this article, it’s turning ideas of universal love, into sex. Also, according to his article, cotton and vaseline only has one use, which is vividly painted in the author’s imagination. Anyone who has read Gandhi’s autobiography, will know that he is MORE than candid about his private life, his struggles with desire and is very self-critical about how he handled his marriage. If he were bisexual, he would be the first to admit it openly. I see no evidence of a dishonest man, other than the heresay and innuendos listed in this article.
- Atul Rao, Burlington, Canada, 28/3/2011 14:16
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This is a lie! Whoever is peddling this garbage is only out to sell books and smear one of the greatest people in history who by the way was a devout Hindu who had very high moral principles. It is not unusual for householders “Grihasta” to leave at some point to focus on serving God and his creation, animals and humanity. This is a step prior to Sannyasa.
- Dharma, Ohio USA, 28/3/2011 14:16
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This is pure bull. The writer must not have any life to sit there and write about someone like Gandhiji, who was a great human being, obviously unlike the writer. This is outrageous. Shame on the publishers also for agreeing to publish such crap. I guess some people will go to any lengths for fame and money.
- Tanvi Shah, CA, USA, 28/3/2011 14:15
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what is even more amazing is the fact that hundreds of thousands of people died as a direct result of what Gandhi did & yet people still talk of him as some kind of saint. – Andy M, UK, 28/3/2011 13:25 you are out of your mind. gandhi didn’t go and killed people in jalianwala bagh, gandhi didn’t go and killed people who asked for freedom from british rule.
- harsukh, delhi, 28/3/2011 14:13
Had Gandhi been alive today,he would have marched for Gay Rights or fasted till death to overturn Chapter XVI ,Section 377 of Indian Penal Code, Anti Sodomy Law (sexual activity against the order of nature) enacted by British in 1860. Wonder why did he not do it while he was alive?
- Californiadesi, Redondo Beach,California, USA, 28/3/2011 14:11
Rating 2
I have pre-ordered the book and at this point waiting to see if the author substantiates any of these with proof, in the form of letters or other documents. The excerpts in this article uses the words “told him” several times, and I am interested in how the author came to know of these conversations. Either way, he was a human being and a great one at that and nothing that he had done in his private life changes that or his teachings.
- Ann Fitzgerald, Longmont, Colorado, USA, 28/3/2011 14:01
Another demolition job on a man not here to defend himself, I shall treat it with the contempt it so deserves. What author will crawl out of the woodwork to tell us about Elizabeth Taylors darkest secrets or are they actually awaiting for her body to cool before their revelations?
- DB1, Nottingham ENGLAND, 28/3/2011 13:41
ghandi was a great soul, and that is the way he will be truly remembered.
- Geoff Wall-Davis., Longbridge, Birmingham, England., 28/3/2011 12:55
Rating 1
well they say “truth is stranger than fiction”
- ron, newcastle, 28/3/2011 12:53
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Who cares? It is what it is. Men are men and women are women. Whatever he did, he did. Life goes on and so does his legacy. Nothing is what it appears to be here on planet Earth. The Human race is a contradiction. Throw away your egos and just get on with it.
- Ian de Montfort, London, England, 28/3/2011 12:49
Joseph, his publisher and all those involved in the book are going to make money on the expense of the reputaiton of one of the greatest personalities of the 20th century. – Zadig Voltaire, Dubai, 28/3/2011 8:43,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Not to worry. No one with any sense will waste their money on this hatchet job of a book. The ones who will are sick.
- NM, USA, 28/3/2011 12:37
Rating 1
It would have been virtually impossible to keep this alleged affair a secret from the authorities in South Africa, who were certainly not sympathetic to Gandhi. He and his alleged partner would most certainly have been imprisoned, as Oscar Wilde was, because the Acts passed by the British Parliament most certainly applied to the colonies. It is interesting that the author is attempting to do what Churchill, George V, and others whose interests were at odds with Gandhi’s, could not during his life time.
- NM, USA, 28/3/2011 12:30
Rating 2
Disgusting.. I would say…people have nothing to do?? except to create controversies, to point on character of the dead souls…God Bless them!!!
- Angha, India, 28/3/2011 12:16
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Disgusting.. I would say…people have nothing to do?? except to create controversies, to point on character of the dead souls…God Bless them!!!
- Angha, India, 28/3/2011 12:12
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Why criticize the author for giving you the real Ghandi. Your worshipping Hollywood create gods and heaven forbid anyone tell you. What a joke these comments are.
- Barry, Elizabeth, USA, 28/3/2011 12:11
Rating 2
It is despicable to create controversy on a taboo subject like Ghandi’s sexuality to sell books. That shows how bad the book publishers are today. But I also feel it is insulting to Indians to say that without Ghandi we would not have got our independence. My grandfather fought against the British and formed a platoon of Indian National Army in Singapore. It was the time British ran away from Singapore giving arms to local Chinese and Malays to fight the Japanese. British was losing and used Ghandi’s image to run away from India too, but with some pride intact as a good guy “giving” independence. The British advertised then and until today about this Great Soul only because it served their purpose. People like my grandfather who took a bullet from the British are known as terrorist then too. My advice, just forget the book. and don’t get worked up. I forgot the India which forgot her real freedom fighters. I now live in Indonesia a happy life.
- Vikram, Indonesia, 28/3/2011 11:59
Rating 1
It seems to be a publicity stunt by the author to make money out of his foolish writings. There are so many people who studied MG, even there were so many followers who stayed with him for life long, but no one has claimed such a nonsense. i am doubtful, if the author really know ” Mahatama Gandhi”. I advise author to write such a nonsense against those are living and really doing and if unable, then just shut.
- Sanjay Swami, Chennai, India, 28/3/2011 11:55
Rating 1
Be this true or not, it does not take away from the great deads that he has done. They’d be a fool to try to do that.
- Chria, UK, 28/3/2011 11:39
Lelyveld’s book seems totally disgusting. His book reinforces what Mr. Gandhi once famously remarked on Western civilization – “Yes, I think it would be a very good idea!”
- G Krishnamurthy, New Delhi, India, 28/3/2011 11:24
Rating 2
This is sad, the mind-body-and soul of this demented author seems to have been badly abused, god knows why he is taking it out on Gandhi, who will he take it out on in his next book – Mother Theresa, help him before he gets into serious trouble with his gross imagination (vasline, cotton wool, upper n lower house – yucks man)
- AAGwoods, Bombay, 28/3/2011 11:10
Rating 1
Why tarnish a dead mans memory without proof?
- Chuck Norris can heal the world, Farmville, 28/3/2011 11:04
Rating 1
well like all other human beings he may have his own struggles with his sexuality and he does not seem to be an exception. after all to be an extraordinary and saint-like human, conquering sexuality in any form is a big big challenge.
- Mir Ahmad, Srinagar, India, 28/3/2011 10:56
Rating 1
Finally the truth comes out about one of the biggest deceptions of history so far. Ghandi was in no way what his adorers has made out if him. He was a stubborn, egoistic, arrogant and vile little man. Those who personally and intimately knew him were deterred from giving the world a truthful testimony on Ghandis actual character. His famed political achievments do in no way excuse his extremely negative character. It is time to se leading figures as they really are and not make Gurus out of borderline and half insane personalities.
- Kleinbauer, Austria, 28/3/2011 10:42
Rating 2
Who cares. It’s what he said and did that matters, not who he slept with. In fact this only reveals him as being even more sensitive and adds another dimension to his humanity. He was, after all, human!
- C Smith, Ipswich UK, 28/3/2011 10:36
Gurpreet: I’m outraged that you’re outraged that Ghandhi’s reputation might be tainted if he did in fact have a male lover. Love is love, idiot.
- Jiggs, New Hampshire, USA, 28/3/2011 10:34
Rating 1
It is a pity that slander and libel laws do not apply after a man’s death. Why now? In any case, it does not diminish or tarnish in the least bit. Unless you already have a low opinion of Gandhi to begin with.
- NM, USA, 28/3/2011 10:30
The love story between Gandhi and Hermann Kallenbach is fascinating and should be an inspiration to gay people in the developing world.
- Georgie, London, 28/3/2011 10:26
Rating 1
What a nasty society we live in where the great and the good are villified in this way in order to make money. I hope this book bombs and ends up remaindered.
- Johntymol, Uk, 28/3/2011 10:16
Rating 2
Don’t care what his sexuality was. I am more interested in what he stood for.
- Ellie, Glasgow, Scotland, 28/3/2011 9:50
Rating 2
Well people… Holy man or not, I guess everyone agrees to what he did for south african and Indian liberation… He never wrote anywhere or to anyone saying “follow me I am God” or any such thing. He just did what he probably thought was right. who asked you to follow him in the first place? And well, I believe most of the leaders in the UK and the USA have had worser pasts than Gandhi is claimed to have had. He never did anything wrong to us or anyone. His personal life whatever it was, was personal. We admire him for the great leader he was… And most of all, he died. We don’t speak ill of the dead. Nor shall we dig up stuff, backed by ‘claimed’ proof against anyone who has died for our country. He’s a martyr for us and we shall let it remain that way. We can talk a million other stories… Enjoy a million other jokes… But not joke on the life of a man… After all, beneath everything, he was only mere human..
- Vijay Velayudhan, Kerala, India, 28/3/2011 9:36
Rating 2
Poor Gandhi can’t defend himself. Even he were around I am sure he would have handled it with dignity and poise. This author should try spilling beans on someone like Putin. Would be surprised if he has the guts to do it.
- yuri, Moscow, 28/3/2011 9:16
Rating 276
Its like focusing on Einstein’s sexuality instead of his ‘Theory of special & General relativity’. What an author!
- veejay_kay, Mumbai, India, 28/3/2011 9:12
Rating 232
Mahatma is Sanskrit for “Great Soul,,, Gandhi was a great soul,,♥,,
- yar, Goa, India, 28/3/2011 8:56
Rating 145
I am outraged at this attempt to taint such an amazing and influential figure’s name, with allegations that have no evidence to back them up. Without Gandhi, us Indians, would have never been able to overcome colonial rule from the British. Even if this is true, there is no need to dig up his private life – it is COMPLETLEY irrelevant. Mohandas Gandhi was a GREAT man, and he should be allowed to rest in peace.
- Gurpreet Dhaliwal, London, UK, 28/3/2011 8:50
Rating 202
What next?,……a book about Ghandi, eating Burghers and Chips!
- King Oxley, London UK, 28/3/2011 8:44
Rating 171
Joseph, his publisher and all those involved in the book are going to make money on the expense of the reputaiton of one of the greatest personalities of the 20th century. An example that is heeded today by the young Arab revolutionaries. Before revealing Gandhi’s “vices”, Joseph should be transparent about his own. I wonder if he ever heard: “Judge Not Lest Ye Be Judged! and Let He Who is Without Sin Cast the First Stone”. Gandhi was not only a great leader but a great human. Joseph is nothing less than the Gaddafi of authors. I will never buy this book. But I hope some tabloid in India will reveal all about Joseph’s sex life, (in details please if he has any).
- Zadig Voltaire, Dubai, 28/3/2011 8:43
Rating 127
I think Kallenbach is Nicholas Cages great Grandfather. …….
- Matt, Florida, 28/3/2011 8:34
Although it is not clear why, Gandhi wrote that vaseline and cotton wool were a constant reminder of Kallenbach. -…………………….Really?
- D Aftasa, Brush, UK, 28/3/2011 8:30
Rating 27
Had Gandhiji satyed with his – father, mother, brother, sister, uncle,aunt, nephew, nice, father in law, mother in law, brother in law, sister in law, grandfather, grandmother and or neighbours- then this author would have added these relatives/people to those list as well. I am sure if the author’s parents are alive, they would be ashamed of such a son & wish he was never born. May God bless Gandhiji’s soul. P.S: If Gandhiji were alive today or somehow knows about this book – then I am sure he would still forgive this trash.
- K Murali Krishna, Hyderabad, India, 28/3/2011 8:28
Rating 14
what is even more amazing is the fact that hundreds of thousands of people died as a direct result of what Gandhi did & yet people still talk of him as some kind of saint.
- Andy M, UK, 28/3/2011 8:25
Rating 1
He was first a man and second a sage and the sage was always in constant battle with the man. Sex was a trial in his later years but he was not a pope nor was he trying to appear as though he was sexless he knew his failings as a man with natural urges and admitted them many times. His greatest strength and challenge was his belief in “Ahimsa” or non-violence and that defeated the British-unfortunately because India disintegrated after that. Although at least they had their own country.
- goldie 206, korat Thailand, 28/3/2011 8:21
Rating 10
Gandhi was not a saint nor was he a sinner. He was just a human being with extraordinary virtues. This author is trying to cash on some bizarre claims. I would not read his book where facts are screwed up and Gandhi’s words were wrongly interpreted by this author. “The Last Fast” written by SK Shravan makes more sense than this thoroughly made up account of the 20th century’s icon.
- Mona Oak, London England, 28/3/2011 8:12
Rating 14
Gandhi was charged and fined for embezzling funds from the Post office where he worked in S.Africa.
- Boro, Nairobi Kenya, 28/3/2011 8:10
Rating 1
Gandhi may have been very friendly with this German chap, but does not necessarily mean a loving “relationship”. It’s in Indian peoples nature to be very friendly with close friends. Did you know that many boys/men in India show friendship with other males by holding hands and walking on the streets and these are 101% heterosexuals. They have different lifestyles.
- Mohammed, London, 28/3/2011 8:08
Rating 20
Another 15 minutes of fame seeking so called author, Mr Joseph Lelyveld! Shame on you for writing a book without foundation, Gandhi is not around to defend himself – well done for bringing this into light 60-70 years after his death! You need to go back and work for the New York Times and get back to manufacturing headlines there, pathetic!!!
- summer, london, 28/3/2011 8:05
Rating 7
Gandhi was an acknowledged leader of more than 350 million Indians for over 4 decades. His sexual orientations would have been a huge scandal in conservative Indian society and the English would have exploited that to the hilt to malign him. It would have been God sent to them to veer away the strong influence Gandhi had on Indian public. It is therefore intellectual penury and degraded attempt to seek cheap publicity for the book at the expense of this great soul for whom no less a person than Einstein said on his death “coming generations will scarcely believe that such a person walked this earth in flesh & blood”. The author’s intellectual handicap is clear from his focus in the book. Gandhi’s concept of non violent passive resistance against injustice called ‘Satyagraha’ seems too much to absorb and write about. His suffering for others when he went on regular fasts should invoke instant bond particularly among Christians seems to be absent. Condemnation is minimum for the book.
- veejay_kay, Mumbai, India, 28/3/2011 7:57
Rating 16
Just the fact that he left his family behind makes him a rat in my eyes. As far as I can see he is just another guy who walked out on his family obligations. His first duty was to them.
- Marie, USA, 28/3/2011 7:52
Rating 3
Mahatma is Sanskrit for “Great Soul.Gandhi was a great Man ,, Peace
- yar, Goa, India, 28/3/2011 7:49
It’s easy to defame a GREAT person who is not present to defend himself….stop making up stories to increase your sales…..get a better story….loserrrrrrrrrrr
- sapna, india, 28/3/2011 7:43
Rating 11
Is this another desperate attempt by the LGB lobby to change history?
- Rick, Teesside, 28/3/2011 7:41
Rating 11
Ghandhi views were due to the treatment of the indentured labourers.
- Joe, North London, 28/3/2011 7:29
Rating 6
Authour’s intention is to make Publicity for his book and make money, as an Indian I cannot tolerate these rubbish things,the book should be banned and government should take action against these writers.This is an insult for a great Person like Mahathma Gandhi.
- SAJITH KUMAR.M.V, sharjah,u.a.e, 28/3/2011 7:28
Seems to me like its the writer himself obsessed with sex and not Gandhi , He probably spent his whole life looking for any ‘homosexual’ links and this is the best he can come up with ?– bit pathetic
- Jonathan, Surrey, 28/3/2011 7:15
Rating 13
He slept with two little virgin girls to keep him warm every night, but definitely did not have sex with them. This is on record countering the accusations of Lord Mountbatten’s pedophile activities at the time (Times of India).
- Malachy , Belfast, 28/3/2011 7:13
Rating 41
A cheap attempt to malign Gandhi’s name and make some easy money by making weird claims. I have been an admirer of him but never a great follower. Some of the things claimed in this book like Gandhi’s purported comments to his niece Manu when she returned back from jungle is so weird that it completely discredits the whole book. Not worth a penny!!
- Bhupendra Singhal, London, 28/3/2011 6:28
Rating 3
Joseph Lelyveld’s is so obviously out to make a quick buck through fictitious sensationalism. What took him so long to write this ‘biography’? It’s rather disgusting. Reading Tom’s (USA) comments, makes me wonder how his achievements compare with Gandhi’s. Gandhi’s politics of peaceful protests are as relevant today as back then. One only needs to compare the TUC’s peaceful protests in London with the hooligans at Trafalgar Square.
- Matt Chamberlain, London, 28/3/2011 6:27
Rating 4
Worst trend of seeking money and fame, by stupid writing about immortals who ha no ways to prove these men misdeeds. We strongly reject these conjecture.
- Sivakumar, chennai, india., 28/3/2011 6:27
Rating 2
Whatever the author has written is a naked truth. Gandhi’s experiments with “askhalitha Bhrahmacharya” meaning ‘celibacy without ejaculation’ are well known. Shabarmati Ashram was the hub of all these experiments. In Shabarmati Ashram many couples would stay with Gandhi. During the evening prayers he would convince them to not to indulge in physical union as it is inhuman. he would keep the men folk far away and the women folk closer to him so that he can use them for his experiments. As part of his experiments he would strip himself and would go to bed with multiple sex partners and make them fondle his private parts. Gandhi’s idea was even while they were fondling he should not get erection and should not ejaculate. Gandhi was a lustful man. He spoilt many women. He wrote in his autobiography stating that he was copulating with his wife in the bedroom while his father was dying. Even Acharya Vinoba Bhave one of the Gandhian and a bachelor advised Gandhi to stop such experiments.
- V.Ramachandra Reddy, Khammam; AP; India, 28/3/2011 6:22
Rating 27
I heard he met and got on very well with Margaret Sanger the eugenist.
- Billy , Brent, 28/3/2011 5:41
Rating 7
Far too many people think that Gandhi (and Mandela) are saints and can do no wrong. How mistaken they are.
- Owd Tyke, S.Devon, 28/3/2011 5:38
Rating 14
To denigrate the man who brought about the peaceful transition to independence in India , remind me how many millions died when we left and they started slaughtering each other!
- Simon, GB, 28/3/2011 5:37
Rating 39
Fairly untrustworhy cove, all in all. Lord Mountbatten will be spinning in his proverbial.
- Three Ducks, London, UK, 28/3/2011 5:33
Rating 7
Mahatma is Sanskrit for “Great Soul.”,,, and Gandhi was a great soul ,, Peace ,,
- yar, Goa, India, 28/3/2011 5:31
One way or the other, Gandhi’s reputation is about to be revised. Who’s next after that, though? What interesting times we live in … I hope we all survive them.
- Philip, Bankrupted Britain, 28/3/2011 5:24
Rating 7
Gandhiji was the father of the nation for the people of India, an utmost sincere person practicing meditation in its right earnest. Such slanderous remarks are uncalled for, and merely intended to create hatred and to just a stupid gimmick sell the book. Gandhiji is revered next to God and will continue to be so.. Hopefully this book is never released in India. Its a shame!!
- Milesh, Mumbai, India, 28/3/2011 5:22
Rating 1
Tom, Florids, USA, He would not have been shot dead from a close range if we had people protecting him that cost us, Indians, “a fortune”. You are entitled to your opinion of course. But nothing changes the fact that he was a simpleton, he gave up everything to lead this mighty country to freedom. He taught us the meaning of – the pen is mightier than a sword.
- Radha, Bangalore, India, 28/3/2011 5:18
Rating 3
I hope the writer also wrote about Non-Violence and Peaceful Co-Existence that Mahatma Gandhi preached throughout his life. He is a Man who did what he preached. I think I better not waste much time in commenting about what a lunatic wrote. Regards, Madhav Hyderabad India
- Madhav, Hyderabad, India, 28/3/2011 5:14
Rating 3
Tarnishing the image of Mahatma Gandhi when he is no more with the sole intent to mint money with negative publicity is not only derogatory but also very much uncivilized and unlawful.Gandhi will ever be an icon, with indomitable spirit has the lasting inspiration to all freedom fighters, oppressed ones irrespective of cast,creed ,religion and country.
- SUBIR DUTTA, KOLKATA,INDIA, 28/3/2011 5:08
Rating 2
so gandhi cannot defend himself coz he is dead… oh, the writer won a battle with a dead man…. genius…. try pick sumone ur own size…..this man a legend, and u just want some of that.
- jen, kuala lumpur, malaysia, 28/3/2011 4:59
Rating 19
People say Gandhi was a ordinary man.And in it he had all faults of a ordinary men ..But for me he looks like extra IN ordinary. He never had a the courage to talk truth always tried to experiment with truth. In the process all he did was to falsify the bare naked truth. One example is the fact that he denied any wrong doing on women folk in mopla rebellion where nearly about a quarter million Hindus were butchered among them about a hundred thousand women were raped and killed . Gandhi in his zeal to get Muslims towards his side (from jnna) denied any wrong doing by Muslim fanatics worst he even stopped British from taking military action on violent mass murders..In fact jinna had warned gandhi about his support to Ali brothers and in fact jinaa asked British to take tough actions against those rapists.
- Pokiri , India, 28/3/2011 4:55
Rating 56
DROSS!
- stud muffin, Hemel Hempstead, 28/3/2011 4:50
Rating 2
This author is achieving the exact opposite of what he had in mind. His revelation about Gandhi is not even remotely shocking today. His book will not change the course of history. Gandhi did.
- Cecilia, Glasgow, 28/3/2011 4:45
Rating 46
Mmmm.. from all the things I have read about Ghandi it looks like he was such a hypocrite and pretended to be so pure when he was so bizarrely impure for his time.. …but, at the same time, we have to honor the man for his true efforts for their Independence. Perhaps, he should be regarded a hero in independence only, not as a Holy man.
- Alexis, Tropical Place, 28/3/2011 4:43
Rating 50
So much hagiography as been churned out on Gandhi that he has attained almost a god-like status in India. So a bit of negative publicity ought not to be such a bad thing, if only to balance out the scales somewhat. But it is known that Gandhi had a dysfunctional family life and was something of tyrant at home. I do hope the Indian govt doesn’t go about banning this book (as I am sure it will). Let the readers make their own judgments.
- Geronimo, Simla, India, 28/3/2011 4:32
Rating 92
So this author writes controversial stuff about Mahatma Gandhi and he wants us to simply accept it without providing in-depth evidence to back up his story? I assume sensationalism sells and which is what he is trying to make cash. – Paul, NY, USA, 28/3/2011 6:30 Paul what makes you think the author provides no evidence? Have you read the book? What a headless response you give, indicating you have no intention of having an open mind.
- Steve, Perth, Western Australia, 28/3/2011 4:32
Rating 19
People should find out more about Ghandi. The facts are available. Attenborough admitted that he had to leave many things out of his film or the Indian Government would not have allowed him to film in India. Ghandi was a racist. The South African Government wanted to put up a memorial to him and there were many protests because of his anti-black racism. Read his comments about blacks. Ghandi supported India being in the British Empire. He changed his mind because of the 1st World war. He was in the British Army. No pacifism there. He was resposible for allowing Mohamed Ali Jinah to move from being a minor figure to one who could force partition. This led to the slaughter of millions. His sexual choices have been well known for many years. There are many more examples where Ghandi was less than perfect but who is. He was human. I think that what annoys people who know the facts is the complete sanitising of a man with many great qualities but many great flaws
- Hannam, Leeds England, 28/3/2011 4:31
Rating 40
I really expect a lot of protest in India in the coming days, once the news of this book is broadcasted in the news hungry media in India. Regarding the comment on Manu being sent to jungle is misconstrued. Manu was sent to the village in Bihar through the jungle because she had forgotten to carry Gandhiji’s stone. He had that stone for a good 25 years and used it to scrub his body. The reason Gandhiji insisted on getting it back, according to Manu in her book “Bapu My Mother” is that he wanted her to realise that she would next time remember that even small things shouldn’t be forgotten. This way she would become more focused.
- Ashwin, Mumbai, 28/3/2011 4:31
Rating 5
I wonder if the author will be tourlng India promoting this garbage.
- daveyh, Holt,UK, 28/3/2011 4:23
Rating 6
I’m not buying this book.
- Jav, London, 28/3/2011 4:19
Rating 7
Regretfully there is so much fraudulent about this man that to call him Father of Nation is a joke. The true fathers of Nations of India and Pakistan are Jawahar Lal Nehru and Md Ali Jinnah. Gandhi exploited the poor and the ignorant by becoming their champion and this is the only claim to his leadership. Indians are suckers for theatricals!
- Musa Salim, Sutton UK, 28/3/2011 4:17
Rating 105
This man has done great things for humanity. He promoted peace and love during his whole life. His sexuality is about his private life and i think its non of our concern as long as he hasn’t raped or done anything disgraceful.
- Diminoue, Port Louis, Mauritius, 28/3/2011 4:14
Rating 4
So what if he had a bi-sexual fling. Good luck to him! Who cares. At least we are now living in a day and age where these things can be discussed. Unlike in our Victorian past, where everything was pushed under the carpet. It’s not such a big deal to be bi-curious.
- Warren-The-Yorkshireman, Yorkshire, 28/3/2011 4:11
Rating 4
Okay, so he was bi-sexual, big deal. George Orwell once wrote an essay about him that flat out called him the equivalent of a “useful idiot,” and frankly made a good argument about it. Personally, I think he was a great man, with flaws, but none that take away from his achievements. I haven’t read the book yet, and may not be interested enough to do so, but even if every allegation is true, so what. The only people who would be scandalized by it being the truth are those who want the man to be a saint for whatever personal reason. Not a good enough reason to hide the truth.
- al, sunnyvale, ca, 28/3/2011 4:02
Rating 5
Ghandi was a racist. He hated black people, referring to them as’ Kaffirs.’ He also hated Jews, and expressed that they should commit suicide to spite Hitler. He also threatened to commit suicide if the Dalit got the vote. So no, not a nice man at all.
- Mark Anthony Taylor – Lazy Bloke, Frankfurt, Germany, 28/3/2011 4:01
Rating 8
Well show the documentary evidence
- Prem, Chigwell, 28/3/2011 3:58
Rating 10
This article tells us more about the DM and the modern obsession with sex and tittle tattle than it does about Ghandi.
- Tom, Madrid, 28/3/2011 3:57
Rating 16
If in fact Gandhi was bisexual, who cares? Does that fact in any way alter anything he achieved or lessen the respect we have for him? No. So again, who cares?
- Maria, Madrid, Spain, 28/3/2011 3:52
Rating 7
The writer of this book is obviously just trying to make a sensation to make money. Not worth a penny in my opinion. Anyone can slander the dead with little fear of reprisal. Secondly, only sexual perverts and deviants worry about other consenting adults’ sex lives. Its none of anyones business if he did or if he didnt have a sex life and has nothing to do with the goodness he did in the world.
- Winyan Staz, Washington, USA, 28/3/2011 3:40
Rating 235
It is just a way/fashion of such low profile writers to sell their book. As Indians do not make much noise,such people are taking advantage. Gandhi was a great person,even if he was bisexual,whats wrong in that,look at his greater/brighter side,he is an Icon/inspiration for millions. So many books have been published on Gandhi including his own Auto Biography in which he has mentioned his experiments with himself. These small things will not change his image. ‘Indian High Commission in Britain are you there only to take salaries,Do something’
- Raman, New Delhi, 28/3/2011 3:33
Rating 87
If you can’t see sex as an expression of pure love, don’t even begin to judge someone who does. Sex is not inherently dirty – it’s what simple minds make out of it.
- Rainer, Germany, 28/3/2011 3:26
Rating 89
The rottening knots in a human brain which has been exposed for too long to a culture filled with lunancy can be felt in no greater stench as this book. The author is a respected figure in the literary world and has yet chosen to come forward with something as cheap, degrading and insulting as this book. The author may get points for creativity and stretching imagination but then that’s just about it, no further. Gandhi if alive would not have even bothered to respond to such a creature. Applying them his own imagination on Gandhi is like stretching imagination from earth to the moon. Gandhi would never get agitated by this book,instead will simply tell this person to publish all & anything more to his heart’s content if in his private little world it makes this person happy. So yes, but the book and quietly burn as many copies as you can buy in public or put them into recycling,better use than trash printed on paper.
- LeftRightBajaoSingh, Delhi India, 28/3/2011 3:04
Rating 5
FUNNY!!!!!!
- auntynetts, hants uk, 28/3/2011 3:01
Rating 59
Gandhi once said “To believe in something, and not to live it, is dishonest” Mahatma certainly lived by his word.
- Will Ashton, Sydney, Australia, 28/3/2011 2:00
Rating 11
Even if this is true, the man has been dead for over 60 years! Jeez, some people can’t leave the dead in peace.
- HM, KL, 28/3/2011 1:35
Rating 4
Ghandi views had stemmed from the treatment of the indentured labourers . The Daily Mail and its readers should look up the term ‘ indentured labour ‘.
- James, Loughton, 28/3/2011 1:32
Rating 4
In the era where sex sells and sheer sensationalism rakes in moolah, am sure to tarnish the image of such a revered man over the years will be a money minting proposition for sure! As India has been an adaptive nation over the years; they will not even bother with such silly speculations…such appalling, disgracefull remarks will come and go but that will never make any difference to our “Father of the nation” Mahatma Gandhi! Let it on…. rgds Indrani
- Indrani Bose, Dubai, UAE, 27/3/2011 23:30
Rating 67
If these revelations are true, then why hide them? Why would you want to keep things like this undewraps? Just because he’s bisexual doesn’t deminish his wonderful achievements now does it? The asumption of straightness leads people to believe that being non-straight was non-existant, so stop fooling yourselves. Bisexual people are bombarded with negative media remarks, positive role models are non-existant and when people think “bisexual” they think of the lipstick lesbians. Can’t we have a positive bisexual rolemodel come along and be celebrated once in a while?
- Voice of Reason and Sanity, A euro country, as Britain should be., 27/3/2011 23:20
Rating 5
I doubt this is true and even if it were , it’s completely irrelevant , after all the beautiful things this man has done for the world , why should we care about his PRIVATE life!!? I hate people trying to dig dirt on dead people. Leave the man in peace and go write about Jordan.
- Dione, Essex UK, 27/3/2011 22:15
Rating 218
I’ve never had a high opinion of Gandhi, frankly. He always seemed to be a fraud in many ways. I remember seeing a quote from an official somewhere, referring to the cost of protecting him when he travelled around the country on “third class” rail, that “his poverty costs us a fortune” !
- Tom, Florids, USA, 27/3/2011 22:03
Rating 173
It seems to be the fashion to declare “gay” a dead icon and then present it as fact. We’ve also had Florence Nightingale (where’s the facts? None.), We’ve had Alexander the Great (again, no fact except the hollywood movie) And we’ve also had King David (who was lusting over, wait for it, … a woman .. . called Bathsheba). Shame they are not around to defend themselves. Still, we should not present it in schools as proven fact when its not.
- Ian, United Kingdom…, 27/3/2011 21:59
Rating 28
This sounds like “Slander” to me! Or have I used the wrong word?
- Mike, Wellington NZ, 27/3/2011 21:47
Rating 14
It’s so dishonorable to publish such accusations when targets cannot defend themselves.
- Philip Hughes, Croydon, UK, 27/3/2011 21:29
Rating 36
Fabulous , he now joins the names of other great men in history such as Michelangelo , Leonardo Da Vinci , Laurence of Arabia , Alan Turing , William Shakespeare, Alexander the Great , Mahler , Tchaikovsky, Nuryev, Cole Porter , Dhiagalev, Jean Genet, Christopher Isherwood , Jean Cocteau, Joe Orton , Joe Meek, Oscar Wilde, Johnny Ray , Bernstein. Nothing at all unusual about great men having homosexual lifestyles .
- David Wainwright, Hungerford UK, 27/3/2011 21:26
Rating 2
everybody in this mitos already gone, where did you get the news
- azhar, london, 27/3/2011 20:59
Rating 6
Ghandi was a great man and we don’t need to know this. I don’t give a toss if he was bi-sexual.
- Graham, Beyond the Blue Horizon and in a World of My Own (Tenerife – the Last Resort!), 27/3/2011 20:20
Rating 4
stop this non-sense! western society can never understand the eastern culture. for you guys everything sexual…there is more to life than sex…. yes, you can write loads of rubbish about people who are dead, becoz they cannot question you!. the author is a moron and so are the people who believes these lies.
- pras, canterbury, 27/3/2011 20:01
Rating 1
Skeptical given that Ghandi did make a few anti-semetic remarks in his days
- Dave, NYC, NY, USA, 27/3/2011 19:55
Rating 2
so?
- robert, madrid, 27/3/2011 19:45
Rating 10
The Titanic was a great ship…..had it lived as long as Gandhi, it to would have had barnacles.
- randy, frisco, 27/3/2011 19:44
Rating 4
‘Nobody from the Indian High Commission to Britain was available for comment.’ Or couldn’t have the courage to ask anyone from the Indian High Commission?
- m s bashir, London, Middlesex, 27/3/2011 19:25
Rating 248
About thirty years ago I had a book from the Conservative Book Club about Ghandi. It, too, showed a dark side of him. It was written by an associate of Ghandi and showed a much less than holy facet of the man.
- John B., Delaware. USA, 27/3/2011 19:15
Rating 32
Why do people like to write such ludrious and libellous stories like this when the person concerned is no longer with us to deny or confirm the story?
- Sweet Cherry, Sunny London, 27/3/2011 19:07
Rating 14
How to identify reliable sources? Anyone can make a claim or an assertion about anything today.Said that, bisexual or not, he was indeed a great soul. I’m Off Then: Losing and Finding Myself on the Camino de Santiago.Let’s hope I get a book translated into Spanish. It must be an interesting read.
- J E da Silva Jardim, Joinville, 27/3/2011 18:57
Rating 14
Is this even relevant?
- Gay Dude, Australia, 27/3/2011 18:54
Rating 17
This will even make Ghandi more interesting! The guy sacrificed everything he had to save his country, I doubt if anyone would think less of him because of his sexual preferences!@
- Reza, California, 27/3/2011 18:53
Rating 16
It never ceases to amaze me how so many people got brainwashed with the idea that Gandhi was such a great person. People need to read some of the stuff he said about the blacks, and how he wanted rights for Indians, but not blacks. But I guess most people take movies as their historical sources, and that is why they all think Gandhi was so amazing.
- FreeThinker, UK, 27/3/2011 18:45
Rating 32
I suppose I must buy the book then.
- josé eduardo, Joinville,Brazil, 27/3/2011 18:41
Rating 52
So this author writes controversial stuff about Mahatma Gandhi and he wants us to simply accept it without providing in-depth evidence to back up his story? I assume sensationalism sells and which is what he is trying to make cash.
- Paul, NY, USA, 27/3/2011 18:30
Rating 413
So what?
- nicole, london, 27/3/2011 18:21
Rating 288
disgraceful book………….
- jay, london, 27/3/2011 18:19
Rating 111
So now you wanna make this story and so-called “new” information public… What’s the motive???????
- lady T, United States, 27/3/2011 18:15
Rating 212
Someone always writes this nonsense about great people many years after their death.
- Ian, North Lanarkshire, 27/3/2011 18:12
Rating 120
How romantic !!
- Steve G, Dublin Ireland, 27/3/2011 18:00
Rating 97
Does Gandhi really need such protection?
Gopalkrishna Gandhi , Hindustan Times
March 30, 2011
First Published: 21:21 IST(30/3/2011)
Last Updated: 21:24 IST(30/3/2011)
Mahatma Gandhi’s life invites scrutiny. His writing facilitates it. Innocent unconcern about likely distortions makes his letters and speeches peculiarly charming. It also makes tendentious mutilations of the story of his life particularly easy. I have not read Joseph Lelyveld’s book. And
so I ought not to — and will not — comment on it. But the media excitement in India, we should realise, has not been generated by a book but by a review of the book. Lelyveld has, in a riposte, said the review does not quote him right.
Should we get shocked, one way or the other, by what a review says a book says when the author of the book maintains he doesn’t? We should not.
But there is something else fit for our contemplation in this event. Gandhi has had so huge an impact on human thought (though nowhere near as huge on human action) that those uncomfortable with his ‘way’, have sought to counter his impact by strenuous attempts to locate flaws in his personality.
His ‘fads’ and his fetishes, his frankly unorthodox and — to all ‘normal’ sensibilities — his bizarre experiments in brahmacharya, his ‘inner voice’ and outer appearance, have all been found handy by demolition squads. He has, of course, collaborated in the proceedings most generously by his self-excoriating candour and by his lavish use of phrases and gestures of trust in fellow-beings.
Despite this, Gandhiphile thinking and writing continues to grow and continues to dwarf the Gandhiphobic. This is not just because of what Tara Ali Baig once described as “Gandhi’s shining veracity” but because the shape of human experience from Hiroshima to Fukushima, from global terror to global warming, from Hitler, Mussolini and Stalin to Pol-Pot, Idi Amin and Mubarak points to its wisdom.
The Gandhi-Kallenbach story, as given in the review, should help us place tendentious newspaper reviews where they belong, namely, the green bin for bio-degradables. It should also lead us to three things:
One, to a study of the remarkable career of that German architect of Jewish descent, Hermann Kallenbach, whom Gandhi helped transform from a high-living urbanite in Johannesburg to a ‘New Age’ comrade in ecologically intelligent living but with whom Gandhi differed seriously, in later years, on the question of Palestine.
Two, to a self-examination by ourselves (and the media) on the jumpiness over intellectual non-events and non-sequiturs.
Three, it should alert us to the folly of banning books not because we respect the subject of their scrutiny but because it pays to appear as its protector. Gandhi, least interested in self-protection, is best protected by the strength of his own words and the wordlessness of his own strength.
Gopalkrishna Gandhi has edited Gandhi Is Gone. Who Will Guide Us Now? He is also a grandson of Mahatma Gandhi. The views expressed by the author are personal.
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Gopalkrishna Gandhi, speaks wisely. The furor over a book, including its banning by Gujarat chief minister Narendra Modi and similar attempts/intent of banning it in Maharashtra are cases of misplaced loyalty to Mahatma Gnadhi’s memory. RSS and its affiliates, Sangh Parivar, challenged the popular notion ascribed to Mahatma Gandhi as a “Father of the Nation.” The expression is foreign to India. India worships their country as a mother, “Mother India.” So, RSS has a point. RSS scrupulously kept themselves away from eulogizing Mahatma Gandhi, sort of ignored him in later years after Nathuram Godse, RSS’s Frankenstein, assassinated Mahatma Gandhi. Could there be anything as ghastly as that crime? Certainly not. A vague reference to a friendly relationship between two human beings brought together by their South Africa residence? That is not a crime at all. “satyameva jayate.”
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Appreciating Gandhi Through His Human Side
By HARI KUNZRU
Published: March 29, 2011
Few figures seem more remote from contemporary India than Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi, the Mahatma, or “Great Soul,” who spearheaded the struggle for independence. Gandhi’s beloved rural poor figure only intermittently in the consciousness of a country now focused on call centers, software entrepreneurs and movie stars. In the cities the Gandhian ideals of service, self-denial and universal uplift have been drowned out by the aggressive nationalism and shiny consumer culture of India’s urban boom.
Janny Scott
Joseph Lelyveld
GREAT SOUL
Mahatma Gandhi and His Struggle With India
By Joseph Lelyveld
Illustrated. 425 pages. Alfred A. Knopf. $28.95.
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Mahatma Gandhi in 1931.
In this context, Joseph Lelyveld’s judicious and thoughtful new book, “Great Soul: Mahatma Gandhi and His Struggle With India,” seems almost eccentric, devoted as it is to explaining the evolution of a social and moral philosophy that, 60 years after the end of the British Raj, has lost the attention of the nation it once enthralled.
Mr. Lelyveld (once a New York Times correspondent in India and South Africa and later the newspaper’s executive editor) teases out the forces that transformed a sheltered young Gujurati Hindu lawyer from a conservative merchant caste into the Mahatma, a figure part politician and part saint, who renewed the ancient tradition of Hindu asceticism in the hope not just of political independence, but also of a social and spiritual transformation based in the Indian villages.
In Gandhi’s early years in South Africa we see an ambitious lawyer, an immigrant almost by chance, brought over in 1893 to assist in a civil suit between rival Indian-owned trading companies with roots in his hometown. Initially orthodox in his religious beliefs, he was drawn — like many Indians later active in the national liberation movement — into the fringe milieu of Theosophy, a creed whose blend of Hinduism and Western Spiritualism made it a magnet for holders of unconventional ideas. Theosophical meetings were one of the few places where Indians and Europeans could meet socially on equal terms.
In 1894 Gandhi would go so far as to identify himself in a newspaper advertisement for a series of self-published tracts as “Agent for the Esoteric Christian Union and the London Vegetarian Society,” and it was through a Theosophist friend that he discovered Tolstoy, whose creed of universal brotherhood and radical nonviolence affected him profoundly.
Gandhi soon became a spokesman for the Indian business elite of Natal Province in South Africa, lobbying against a system of discriminatory legislation which was rapidly evolving toward full-blown apartheid. Despite his later claims, Gandhi did not immediately champion the rights of indentured laborers, the underclass of mainly low-caste South Indians who had been transported to labor in mines and on plantations in conditions of semi-slavery. He was also yet to become the staunch anti-imperialist of later years. Hoping to gain concessions from the British colonial authorities, he organized an Indian stretcher battalion to serve in the Boer War, and in an ignoble episode in 1906 assisted (also as the leader of a corps of stretcher-bearers) in the brutal suppression of a Zulu uprising.
Throughout Gandhi’s time in South Africa there is no sign of any attempt to make common cause with the black majority. Imprisoned with Zulu convicts, he reported un-self-consciously that “Kaffirs are as a rule uncivilized — the convicts even more so. They are troublesome, very dirty and live almost like animals.”
Gandhi has been the subject of at least 30 full-length biographies in English alone. To American readers who may know only the basic outlines of his life, “Great Soul” will come as a revelation. Divided equally between Gandhi’s years in South Africa and his return to India as the fully fledged Mahatma, the book scrupulously avoids sensationalism, which is for the best, given that even readers in India, more familiar with the idea of Gandhi as a complex figure, will still find the portrait of a troubled, changeable, wily and occasionally egotistical politician challenging.
While Gandhi’s political rivalries and his shortcomings as a husband and father have been publicly debated, Mr. Lelyveld’s frank discussion of Gandhi’s erotically charged friendship with the German-Jewish architect and bodybuilder Hermann Kallenbach is likely to ruffle feathers, especially in a country where homosexual activity was a criminal offense until 2009.
Gandhi left his wife to live at Kallenbach’s house in Johannesburg for a period, and Kallenbach donated to Gandhi the 1,100 acres that became their communal Tolstoy Farm in 1910. As Mr. Lelyveld notes, “in an age when the concept of Platonic love gains little credence,” the romantic tone of their letters (including pet names) is likely to be read as indication of a straightforward homosexual intimacy.
Yet it is also clear in Mr. Lelyveld’s account that Gandhi’s celibacy was a profound and deeply felt position. His vow of brahmacharya, or self-imposed celibacy, taken in 1906, was to become the foundation of his moral authority in the eyes of the Indian masses. Nearing 70, he had a wet dream. The “degrading, dirty, torturing experience” was shattering, he wrote. It “made me feel as if I was hurled by God from an imaginary paradise where I had no right to be in my uncleanliness.”
Gandhi returned to India in 1914 and threw himself into the struggle for self-rule. Repeatedly imprisoned by the British, he led a campaign of civil disobedience, culminating in the Salt March movement of 1930, which, as Mr. Lelyveld writes, “shook the pillars of the Raj” and resulted in 90,000 arrests after Gandhi defied a British tax by the simple act of going to the seashore and harvesting salt.
As Mr. Lelyveld tracks Gandhi’s life, it becomes clear that any attempt to understand Gandhi as some kind of contemporary liberal humanist avant la lettre is off the mark. He was a disciplined religious ascetic. To a degree unmatched by any modern leader of comparable stature, Gandhi’s politics were played out through his body.
Where he ate, what he ate, who cooked it — all were properly political questions for a leader trying to maintain shaky unity between Hindus and Muslims, while engaged in a battle against the caste system, which was one of the foundations of Hindu belief. By voluntarily performing actions considered polluting or degrading, like collecting human waste and living with untouchables, Gandhi earned the right to offer new definitions of what was uplifting and purifying — definitions that were both spiritual and political.
Mr. Lelyveld has restored human depth to the Mahatma, the plaster saint, allowing his flawed human readers to feel a little closer to his lofty ideals of nonviolence and universal brotherhood.
Hari Kunzru is the author of three novels. His next, “Gods Without Men,” will be published by Alfred A. Knopf in 2012.
A version of this review appeared in print on March 30, 2011, on page C6 of the New York edition.
How Gandhi Became Gandhi
By GEOFFREY C. WARD
Published: March 24, 2011
Some years ago, the British writer Patrick French visited the Sabarmati ashram on the outskirts of Ahmedabad in the Indian state of Gujarat, the site from which Mahatma Gandhi led his salt march to the sea in 1930. French was so appalled by the noisome state of the latrines that he asked the ashram secretary whose job it was to clean them.
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Gandhi, circa 1906.
GREAT SOUL
Mahatma Gandhi and His Struggle With India
By Joseph Lelyveld
Illustrated. 425 pp. Alfred A. Knopf. $28.95.
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Mohandas K. Gandhi arrived in South Africa in 1893 as a young British-trained lawyer.
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Gandhi in India in the 1920s.
A sweeper woman stopped by for an hour a day, the functionary explained, but afterward things inevitably became filthy again.
But wasn’t it a central tenet of the Mahatma’s teachings that his followers clean up after themselves?
“We all clean the toilets together, on Gandhiji’s birthday,” the secretary answered, “as a symbol to show that we understand his message.”
Gandhi had many messages, some ignored, some misunderstood, some as relevant today as when first enunciated. Most Americans — many middle-class Indians, for that matter — know what they know about the Mahatma from Ben Kingsley’s Academy Award-winning screen portrayal. His was a mesmerizing performance, but the script barely hinted at the bewildering complexity of the real man, who was at the same time an earnest pilgrim and a wily politician, an advocate of celibacy and the architect of satyagraha (truth force), a revivalist, a revolutionary and a social reformer.
It is this last avatar that interests Joseph Lelyveld most. “Great Soul” concentrates on what he calls Gandhi’s “evolving sense of his constituency and social vision,” and his subsequent struggle to impose that vision on an India at once “worshipful and obdurate.” Lelyveld is especially qualified to write about Gandhi’s career on both sides of the Indian Ocean: he covered South Africa for The New York Times (winning a Pulitzer Prize in 1986 for his book about apartheid, “Move Your Shadow”), and spent several years in the late 1960s reporting from India. He brings to his subject a reporter’s healthy skepticism and an old India hand’s stubborn fascination with the subcontinent and its people.
This is not a full-scale biography. Nor is it for beginners. Lelyveld assumes his readers are familiar with the basic outlines of Gandhi’s life, and while the book includes a bare-bones chronology and is helpfully divided into South African and Indian sections, it moves backward and forward so often, it’s sometimes harder than it should be to follow the shifting course of Gandhi’s thought.
But “Great Soul” is a noteworthy book, nonetheless, vivid, nuanced and cleareyed. The two decades Gandhi spent in South Africa are too often seen merely as prelude. Lelyveld treats them with the seriousness they deserve. “I believe implicitly that all men are born equal,” Gandhi once wrote in the midst of one of his campaigns against untouchability. “I have fought this doctrine of superiority in South Africa inch by inch.”
It actually took a long time for the Mahatma to turn that implicit belief into explicit action, Lelyveld reminds us. When Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi arrived in Durban from Bombay in 1893, he was a natty 23-year-old British-trained lawyer, hired to help represent one wealthy Muslim Indian trader in a dreary civil suit against another, and primarily interested in matters of religion and diet, not politics: in an early advertisement he proclaimed himself an “Agent for the Esoteric Christian Union and the London Vegetarian Society.” But, Lelyveld writes, “South Africa . . . challenged him from the start to explain what he thought he was doing there in his brown skin.”
Initially, Gandhi was simply affronted that discriminatory laws and bigoted custom lumped educated well-to-do Indians like him with “coolies,” the impoverished mine, plantation and railroad workers who made up the bulk of the region’s immigrant Indian population. The nonviolent campaigns he waged to bring about equality between Indians and whites over the next 20 years would lead him — slowly and unsteadily, but inexorably — to advocate equality between Indian and Indian, first across caste and religious lines and then between rich and poor. (His identification with the aspirations of black people would not come until long after he had left Africa.)
As Lelyveld shows, the outcomes of Gandhi’s campaigns in South Africa were neither clear-cut nor long-lasting: after one, his own supporters beat him bloody because they thought he’d settled too quickly for a compromise with the government. But they taught him how to move the masses — not only middle-class Hindu and Muslim immigrants but the poorest of the poor as well. He had, as he himself said, found his “vocation in life.”
Soon after returning to India in 1915, Gandhi set forth what he called the “four pillars on which the structure of swaraj” — self-rule — “would ever rest”: an unshakable alliance between Hindus and Muslims; universal acceptance of the doctrine of nonviolence, as tenet, not tactic; the transformation of India’s approximately 650,000 villages by spinning and other self-sustaining handicrafts; and an end to the evil concept of untouchability. Lelyveld shrewdly examines Gandhi’s noble but doomed battles to achieve them all.
He made a host of enemies along the way — orthodox Hindus who believed him overly sympathetic to Muslims, Muslims who saw his calls for religious unity as part of a Hindu plot, Britons who thought him a charlatan, radical revolutionaries who believed him a reactionary. But no antagonist was more implacable than Bhimrao Ramji Ambedkar, the brilliant, quick-tempered untouchable leader — still largely unknown in the West — who saw the Mahatma’s nonviolent efforts to eradicate untouchability as a sideshow at best. He even objected to the word Gandhi coined for his people — “Harijans” or “children of God” — as patronizing; he preferred “Dalits,” from the Sanskrit for “crushed,” “broken.”
Sometimes, Gandhi said Indian freedom would never come until untouchability was expunged; sometimes he argued that untouchability could be eliminated only after independence was won. He was unapologetic about that kind of inconsistency. “I can’t devote myself entirely to untouchability and say, ‘Neglect Hindu-Muslim unity or swaraj,’ ” he told a friend. “All these things run into one another and are interdependent. You will find at one time in my life an emphasis on one thing, at another time on [an]other. But that is just like a pianist, now emphasizing one note and now [an]other.” It was also like the politician he said he was, always careful to balance the demands of one group of constituents against those of another.
As Lelyveld has written in “Move Your Shadow,” “Gandhi had hoped to bring about India’s freedom as the moral achievement of millions of individual Indians, as the result of a social revolution in which the collapse of alien rule would be little more than a byproduct of a struggle for self-reliance and economic equality.” Foreign rule did collapse, in the end, “but strife and inequality among Indians worsened.”
Gandhi is still routinely called “the father of the nation” in India, but it is hard to see what remains of him beyond what Lelyveld calls his “nimbus.” His notions about sex and spinning and simple living have long since been abandoned. Hindu-Muslim tension still smolders just beneath the uneasy surface. Untouchability survives, too, and standard-issue polychrome statues of Ambedkar in red tie and double-breasted electric-blue suit now outnumber those of the sparsely clothed Mahatma wherever Dalits are still crowded together.
Gandhi saw most of this coming and sometimes despaired. The real tragedy of his life, Lelyveld argues, was “not because he was assassinated, nor because his noblest qualities inflamed the hatred in his killer’s heart. The tragic element is that he was ultimately forced, like Lear, to see the limits of his ambition to remake his world.”
Nonetheless, Lelyveld also writes, while he may have “struggled with doubt and self until his last days,” Gandhi “made the predicament of the millions his own, whatever the tensions among them, as no other leader of modern times has.” And, for all his inconsistencies, his dream for India remained constant throughout his life. “Today,” Gandhi wrote less than three weeks before he was murdered by a member of his own faith, “we must forget that we are Hindus or Sikhs or Muslims or Parsis. . . . It is of no consequence by what name we call God in our homes.”
That was a revolutionary notion when he first urged Indians to unite against their oppressors in South Africa before the turn of the 20th century. It was revolutionary when he came home to India at the time of World War I, and still revolutionary in 1947 when India was simultaneously liberated and ripped apart by the religious hatred he had repeatedly risked his life to quell, and sadly, it remains revolutionary today — for India and, by extension, for the wider world as well.
Geoffrey C. Ward, a biographer and a screenwriter for documentary films, spent part of his boyhood in India and is currently writing a book about partition.
A version of this review appeared in print on March 27, 2011, on page BR1 of the Sunday Book Review.
Gandhi, India’s God-Like Founding Father, Was Bisexual, According to New Book
Not Only Was Peace Maker Gay, But He Had Racist Tendencies, Says Pulitzer-Winning Author of ‘Great Soul’
By SUSAN DONALDSON JAMES
March 30, 2011
Was Mahatma Gandhi gay? A new book by Pulitzer-Prize winning author Joseph Lelyveld claims the god-like Indian figure not only left his wife for a man, but also harbored racist attitudes.
Gandhi, who led India to independence and is a universal symbol of peaceful resistance, had another side — a more human one. In a biography that hit stores this week — “Great Soul: Mahatma Gandhi and his Struggle With India,” former New York Times reporter Lelyveld insists that Gandhi was gay, or at least bisexual.
His lover was Hermann Kallenbach, a German-Jewish architect and bodybuilder. The couple built their love nest during Gandhi’s time in South Africa where he arrived as a 23-year-old law clerk in 1893 and lived for 21 years, Lelyveld writes.
Much of the intimacy between the two is revealed in Kallenbach’s letters to his Indian friend. Gandhi left his wife, “Ba,” — an arranged marriage — in 1908 for Kallenbach, a lifelong bachelor, according to the book.
In letters, Gandhi wrote to Kallenbach, “How completely you have taken possession of my body. This is slavery with a vengeance. “
“Your portrait (the only one) stands on my mantelpiece in the bedroom,” he writes. “The mantelpiece is opposite the bed.”
The new book has been banned in one Western India state, Gujarat, after local press reports claimed the book maligns the father of modern India, according to the Associated Press. Its top state politician, Chief Minister Narendra Modi, called the book “perverse. “
Politicians in the state of Maharashtra, home to India’s financial capital Mumbai, have asked the central government to bar publication nationwide.
“This is a non-issue,” said Bidyut Chakrabarty, resident scholar at The Gandhi Center for Global Non-Violence. “In India, especially, they tend to think the mahatma is perfect. Mahatma means great soul and they put him on a pedestal, thinking he cannot be human, he’s a god.”
“And if he’s a god, how can he be homosexual?” he asked.
Gandhi Autobiography Addresses Sexual Pleasure
Chakrabarty said that Gandhi emphasized his humanness in an autobiography that was written in 1933. “He kept saying, ‘I am a human being,’ and he talked about sexual pleasure. It was a very big topic in the autobiography.”
The Hindu religion, just as Christianity, frowns upon homosexuality, according to Chakrabarty, who has written several books about Gandhi. But in India today, discrimination against gays is illegal and many are open about their sexual orientation.
In Levyveld’s book, the lovers’ nicknames to each other were “Upper House” and “Lower House,” suggesting one may have been in a stronger position of power.
The book says Gandhi may have been the one to “think deep thoughts” and Kallenbach was more preoccupied with “matters of physical fitness and everything that’s down to earth.”
The author discovers that Gandhi “made Lower House promise not to look lustfully upon any woman,” and the pair swore to each other “‘more love, and yet more love … such love as they hope the world has not yet seen.”
But it seems the Indian leader also liked women. In his 70s, Gandhi was also alleged to have had naked “nightly cuddlies” with 17-year-old great niece Manu.
At one point he forced Manu to walk through a part of the jungle where women risked sexual attacks just to get him a pumice stone to clean his feet.
When she came back crying, Gandhi “cackled” and purportedly said: “If some ruffian had carried you off and you had met your death courageously, my heart would have danced with joy,” according to the book.
The author also alleges that Gandhi had racist attitudes when exposed to “kaffir,” as blacks were called in South Africa.
As early as 1894, he wrote a letter to the Natal legislature, “the raw Kaffir, whose occupation is hunting and whose sole ambition is to collect a number of cattle to buy a wife, and then pass his life in indolence and nakedness.”
“We were marched off to a prison intended for Kaffirs,” he is alleged to have said. “We could understand not being classed with whites, but to be placed on the same level as the Natives seemed too much to put up with. Kaffirs are as a rule uncivilized.”
Gandhi Eyed Blacks as Untouchables, Says Book
Some Indian scholars said Gandhi may have even viewed blacks as “untouchables,” the lowest class in his homeland.
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As for Gandhi’s racial attitudes, they too, are inconsequential when seen through the lens of the Indian leader’s larger political struggle, according to scholar Chakrabarty, who has authored three books on Gandhi.
“He was a smart and strategic politician,” he said. “He was more concerned about removing racism against England. It’s true, he didn’t pick up the black issues in South Africa, but that was not his fight.”
“He didn’t want to dilute his political ambition,” said Chakrabarty.
The Wall Street Journal review of the book said it recast Gandhi as “a sexual weirdo, a political incompetent, a fanatical faddist, implacably racist, and a ceaseless self-promoter, professing his love for mankind as a concept while actually despising people as individuals.”
Lelyveld says in his author’s note that the book takes “a fresh look, in an attempt to understand his life as he lived it. I’m more excited by the man himself, the long arc of his strenuous life, than by anything that can be distilled as doctrine.”
At the age of 13 Gandhi had been married to 14-year-old Kasturbai Makhanji, but after four children together they broke up so he could be with Kallenbach.
As late as 1933 Gandhi wrote a letter telling of his unending desire and branding his ex-wife “the most venomous woman I have met.”
Kallenabach emigrated from East Prussia to South Africa where he first met Gandhi. The author describes Gandhi’s relationship with the man as, “the most intimate, also ambiguous relationship of [Gandhi's] lifetime.”
“They were a couple,” said Tridip Suhrud, a Gandhi scholar who met Lelyveld in India.
The source of much of the detail of their affair was found in the “loving and charming love notes” that Gandhi wrote to Kallenbach, whose family saved them after the architect’s death. They eventually landed in the National Archives of India.
Gandhi had destroyed all those from Kallenbach.
It was known that Gandhi was preoccupied with physiology, and even though he had a “taut torso,” weighing 106 to 118 pounds throughout his life, the author says Gandhi was attracted to Kallenbach’s strongman build.
The pair lived together for two years in a house Kallenbach built in South Africa and pledged to give one another “more love, and yet more love.”
Gandhi implored Kallenbach not to “look lustfully upon any woman” and cautioned, “I cannot imagine a thing as ugly as the intercourse of men and women.”
By the time Gandhi left South Africa in 1914, Kallenbach was not allowed to accompany him because of World War I. But Gandhi told him, “You will always be you and you alone to me…I have told you you will have to desert me and not I you.”
Kallenbach died in 1945 and Gandhi died in 1948.
Outrage over reviews of new Gandhi book
Akshaya Mukul, TNN, Mar 29, 2011, 12.10am IST
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NEW DELHI: Thousands of books have been written on Mahatma Gandhi with each new one claiming to have discovered an unknown facet of his eventful life. When reviews of Pulitzer prize winner Joseph Lelyveld’s “Great Soul: Mahatma Gandhi and His Struggle with India” hit the newspapers in England and US claiming that the book says Gandhi was a bisexual and had a German-Jewish bodybuilder lover in Hermann Kallenbach it created immediate sensation.
But as the Daily Mail’s review of the book created a storm in cyberspace, there was a barrage of protests not just from Gandhians who said this was “blasphemy”, but from the book’s author himself who denied having suggested anything of the sort.
Lelyveld told TOI, “I do not allege that Gandhi is a racist or bisexual in ‘Great Soul’. The word ‘bisexual’ nowhere appears in the book.” He also denied having called Gandhi a racist. “The word ‘racist’ is used once to characterise comments by Gandhi early in his stay in South Africa, part of a chapter summarising his statements about Africans and his relations with them. The chapter in no way concludes that he was a racist or offers any suggestion of it.”
Psychoanalyst Sudhir Kakar, one of the first to write on Gandhi’s sexuality in ‘Intimate Relations: Exploring Indian Sexuality’ and later in ‘Mira and Mahatma’, is yet to read the book but has gone through an ocean of archives on Gandhi and says he never discovered anything that the reviewers claim the book consists of.
Kakar remembers finding references to Kallenbach during his research but not the way the reviewers have portrayed it. He says if the book has what reviewers claim then it is plain “stupid.” “Gandhi always talked of complete love but it was of platonic kind,” he says. Another eminent modern India historian who has read the book said, “The reviews are by Churchill fans and rightwingers.” The Mahatma’s grandson Gopal Gandhi said, “I will not comment till I read the book.”
But Gandhian scholar Tridip Suhrud, author of books like ‘The Autobiography of The Story of My Experiments With Truth’ not only interacted with Lelyveld when he was researching the book but has also read it. He is aghast with the reviews and swears by Lelyveld. Suhrud says the section on Kallenbach begins with a quote from him.
“Lelyveld asks me what I think of Gandhi’s relationship with Kallenbach and I say, ‘It is almost like a couple’. The two had a deep bond that borders on attraction of platonic kind. Joseph is not talking about what the reviewers are claiming,” Suhrud says. He explains that in the late 19th century and early 20th century men addressed each other in a way that can be construed now as lovers.
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